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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 16, 2020, 04:09:51 PM »
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The democrat party being hijacked isn't up for dispute and there's two sides you can take. 1. I'm ok with it because I hate trump so bad, or 2. This is unacceptable, the democrat party needs to go back to the drawing board because we're not the party of AOC and the young Turks.

 :???:

That's the real question, and it's always dodged. Clearly you think trump is so incompetent that you're going with #1, but I don't think you fully grasp what that entails. Too focused on trump.

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 16, 2020, 09:56:30 AM »
That's not what posters are saying either. Everyone's aware and support the many social policies we have and there's an obvious distinction that's been clarified in this thread. It's a massive oversimplification to say "it's not socialism, it's Democratic socialism, we have social programs and policies look at medicare and social security", when the specific examples and quotes are cited.

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 16, 2020, 09:39:22 AM »
That's a hefty generalization of the posts concerning socialism, communism, and the democrat party. That is NOT what people are saying here. The two party system presents an equation for power. You take over just 1 party, then you take control of the country. And that is what certain radical folks with socialist and communist agendas are doing with the democrat party. This is a fact. We're not talking about left/right/libertarian/authoritarian quadrants that show Hillary Clinton is in the middle-right but favoring authoritarianism, which is comparable to a republican on the right and favoring authoritarianism (side note, most people are middle favoring libertarianism without even knowing it). The democrat party being hijacked isn't up for dispute and there's two sides you can take. 1. I'm ok with it because I hate trump so bad, or 2. This is unacceptable, the democrat party needs to go back to the drawing board because we're not the party of AOC and the young Turks.

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 16, 2020, 08:07:36 AM »
https://gen.medium.com/ive-been-a-democrat-for-20-years-here-s-what-i-experienced-at-trump-s-rally-in-new-hampshire-c69ddaaf6d07

That was a good read quadz, and that exemplifies why I think trump is going to win by a big margin. The whole reality behind these rallies is nuts. Have we ever seen something like them in our lifetime? Have our parents?

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 16, 2020, 07:25:12 AM »
Boy am I glad I have quadz and focalor to better articulate everything I feel and agree with.  :bananaw00t:

Our grandparents democratic party is gone, and lefties with socialist/communist agendas are fighting for control of the remnants of it. It's why I said to try to keep an open mind punk. No one here is even CLOSE to the stereotypical trump supporter that mainstream media labels anyone who is anti-left.

I talked with a coworker 2 days ago who vehemently and blindly despises trump. He claims trump takes a shit on the constitution 5x a day among other things... we were discussing narrative driven media and I told him that fox news is literally the same thing as msnbc and CNN. He got pissed and disagreed entirely stating that CNN and msnbc were both "very hard" on Obama. I just don't even know what to say to that... I responded uhh, everyone knows what fox news is, but the only use it did have during that time is that they were the ONLY ones that would say ANYTHING bad about Obama... then of course you can further research it to verify and validate any claims yourself. He stood his ground and said no that's not true, they were very hard on obama and fox news is the biggest propaganda machine in the world.

It was really an unpleasant conversation, he was full of anger and resentment for trump and the right. But that kinda sums up the left these days.  I sort of ended it by stating I'd argue that msnbc/cnn is even worse because they have you convinced of all of this somehow.   :lolsign:

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 15, 2020, 06:32:55 PM »
Just because you may not be like that it doesn't mean they're a minority. One's opinion or lack thereof of trump is an ultimatum for a lot of the left.

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 15, 2020, 04:43:39 PM »
I don't think there's any die hard trump supporters here, but there's no denying there is something refreshing about him being in office. It has everything to do with how much we loathe politicians. If you were to talk to an average joe moderate right leaner he'd probably say "Hollywood elites, soros, the koch brothers, and the democrat party all hate his guts so he must be doing something right". You can criticize this opinion as being misinformed and rightfully so, but there IS some basis behind it. What happens though is that the left calls people like this racist nazi white supremacists and/or enablers... when they get labeled as such, how do you think they're going to vote in the next election?

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 14, 2020, 04:20:48 PM »
On Facebook it's ABSURDLY against trump. EVERYONE on social media thinks the democrats will take control of everything in 2020. Yeah, the smaller circle that your mom's a part of on social media may be trumpers but I see the exact opposite drastically. And there's tons of media sources supporting that view. My opinion is that they're all wrong and being misled.

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 13, 2020, 07:03:38 PM »
I keep thinking more and more that trump will win 2020 in a historic landslide, yet I also keep seeing more articles stating "the blue wave is coming!!!". I know a lot of people that truly believe it too. It's really strange for me thinking the complete opposite.

With Yang dropping out that leaves gabbard as the most sane candidate by a decent margin.. And she hasn't gained much ground. I'd probably consider voting for her. I've voted for Gary Johnson before who I didn't even like so wasting my vote is right up my alley. Although I DID tell myself I didn't want to do that crap anymore.

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Jokes / Re: Funny Pictures
« on: February 13, 2020, 06:42:03 PM »

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 11, 2020, 10:11:45 AM »
Jesus, I read my posts and get a headache from the typos and rambling. I'll try to be more concise and more to the point. Just can't really organize my thoughts well on a phone.  I am in full agreement with quadz and focalor, well said to both of you.

As for the child tax credits, I agree halfway having 2 kids myself. You're right in many cases, actually probably most in this day and age focalor. The argument FOR people like me would be under the presumption that my 2 kids are going to contribute to society in a beneficial way eventually. But I'm well aware that not everyone is like me not that my family's too special or anything, but I envision my kids actually picking up a trade, not majoring in liberal bullshit, and truly filling a professional void in our country that is increasingly getting worse. So I'm glad I'll be getting it this year for MYSELF, coming from a single income family. But there's no actual way of standardizing/regulating people that raise leeches off the government so really I DO agree with you,  not just halfway. But, that's my view for my own situation.

It's pretty funny that ya got a union worker that'll vote against my livelihood, foc who is very middle-road whom in the past has been more critical about the Republican party than anyone(he just said he's 100% with Republicans, about), and quadz who has voted exclusively Democrat from 1992-2016 are all mostly against the left. There's a reason for it, and i'd try to keep an open mind punk. This forum with a handful of people talking is the most refreshing and thoughtful political discussion in my life, lmao. I have loads of leftist friends who are intelligent and nice people but completely caught up in the anti-trump hysteria and/or "democratic socialism", wealth redistribution, and insert radical left views that play to people's emotions, etc. For you guys in California that's probably the norm.

Yeah those Zoe's kitchens are popping up everywhere. They're OK, but expensive/overrated. At least it's not garbage for your body but BOY are they popular and the hip thing.  Especially with women.

Another misconception about wealth distribution is that it's going to magically solve all of our issues. I recall an article recently stating we'd have to tax the top 2% 103% to clear our debt by 2025, assuming that they're going to continue the same production and work at all for that matter, and assuming that the government won't waste the funds on something else.

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 10, 2020, 03:18:00 PM »
An increase on the top 1%(income above 460,000 would be ok), but we need to have 140k-460k less(or some kind of window, 460 seems high it's just where the top 1% starts) as an incentive range for us middle classers to aspire to. BUT, in doing this or anything similar, the tax avoidance schemes and loopholes are going to increase, effort at the work place will decrease, and labor involvement will go down. Speaking of labor:

I'm a union man, and I do not support Bernie. I think right to work is garbage, but it doesn't mean the left has it right either. They're just less actively trying to destroy unions than the right; the left certainly doesnt do unions any favors.

The concept of unions are great, but many have turned into a system that is just like any other big company. I'm in a weak Union, I get a pension, I have a 401k, my rate is not high nor too low. Relative to other unions, the trade/skillset/niche that workers from my local provide is IRREPLACEABLE...but, we don't strike, we're not assholes, we work out assess off and get paid. NY, NJ, MASS, etc. are making 70$ an hour not doing shit in comparison. Less hazard, less finesse, less responsibility, etc....and, at the same time THOSE Union workers are the biggest hardass entitled fuckers you'll ever meet. Then there's the other extreme with meter-maids unionizing and making as much as me. There's a LOT of issues and needed reform within half the unions at least.... But RTW is just an ultimatum and cripples the standard that Union wages set for the middle class including non Union workers.

Fuck posting from a phone, too much work. Don't turn commie, punk. I'll elaborate more later but his point wasnt just for following tradition, lol. C'mon man.  :dohdohdoh:

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 09, 2020, 04:08:12 PM »
He's very authentic which is refreshing.  Although he's misleading when he compares his own policies to Scandinavian countries. He's a genuine guy that's just wrong about numerous things :lolsign:

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 06, 2020, 06:13:48 AM »
I really don't get the democrat party these days. Repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot again and again and again.

Have you considered the Republican party?

Well, I can sometimes make sense of their strategy although it's effectiveness can be criticized. I am frequently stumped by the gamble made by those controlling the left by going farther left to appeal to a younger constituency that statistically doesn't show up to the voting booth. I imagine Republicans ask themselves "if the left succeeds in convincing their younger supporters that Republicans are all racist fascist nazis, can we still win the re-election(s)? They think the answer is yes, and I can see why they would. On the flipside I have more difficulty trying to make sense of the Democrats strategies, assuming winning reelections is their primary goal. Of course the right leaves me scratching my head, but one of the reasons that I'm more critical of the left these days is because I consider them to be the underdog that is losing the race. They're the ones that need to put something together to pull ahead.

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