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dm / Re: User Abuse Towards Others
« on: February 22, 2020, 08:48:16 AM »
Post a demo if you think someone's cheating, and we'll review it. Panjoo can be a pot stirrer, but I extremely doubt he's doing anything to cheat.

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/dev/random / Re: The Fight Thread
« on: February 20, 2020, 04:19:14 PM »
Yup I saw it. That was a silly fight in general but he clearly lost every minute of it. Mr. backflips needs to improve his fight IQ because that was such a preventable silly mistake to cap off a silly fight... while I was watching it im like don't do it Diego,  when I saw his mannerisms and "I can't see"... then he did. Disappointing.

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 20, 2020, 02:08:53 PM »
Yeah these pardons/commutings seem pretty messed up. This doesn't change that, but the amount of pardons/commutes does add a bit of context:

Carter: 566
Reagan: 406
HW bush: 77
Bill Clinton: 459
George W: 200
Obama: 1,927
Trump: 35

I really can't compare the nature of previous pardons, and I'm sure the bulk of them are less scandalous than the ones being hyped to us now. But, I'm also equally sure that there's some screwed up ones that didn't get the coverage that these are getting now.

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 19, 2020, 08:25:48 PM »
I watched the debate mainly because Bloomberg would be on it. My take is that Peter Buttiguy is the smartest guy and the best orator. Researching his views he's certainly not a moderate like he's portrayed; he just looks like one next to Bernie. Which is why we often talk about how far left the party has shifted. It's not just some exceptionally radical folks; their whole center and how it's defined has shifted. But, it's a shame that the world isn't ready for a gay president in my opinion. I think focalor had a point the other day. I would love for Tulsi gabbard to go tell all those backwards camel jockies what's up as a woman whom they consider beneath them. But unfortunately, I don't think it's feasible yet for a gay person to have the same diplomatic success.

The talk about internet attacks in the beginning would never end. Worthless discussion. It made me want to turn it off.

IMO, marginally below Pete it was Biden, then maybe kobluchar who looked the best... If I were scoring on 20 different things including how annoying they are. I can't stand Pocahontas lol, and crazy Bernie was consistent. Mini mike was in the hot seat but came out mostly unscathed. He did ok considering.

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 18, 2020, 03:25:50 PM »
Picking between Bloomberg and trump is an interesting thought. I guess I could be satisfied too? I think indifferent better describes my feelings though. I guess we'll see what happens in the next few months. Typically in a situation like that and an incumbent is producing results from time to time it's tough not to go with them, but 2020 is hardly typical. I could still see myself leaning towards trump anyway,  but when you factor in Bloomberg being in the biggest gun grabber I'd go trump for sure.

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 18, 2020, 04:58:45 AM »
The democrat party being hijacked isn't up for dispute and there's two sides you can take. 1. I'm ok with it because I hate trump so bad, or 2. This is unacceptable, the democrat party needs to go back to the drawing board because we're not the party of AOC and the young Turks.

Ok, so I think this is the question you are addressing to me (since I'm the only one attempting to disrupt the echo chamber you guys have going on here - my apologies, btw).

The Democratic party certainly seems less united currently than the Republican party. That said, the Republican party has largely been hijacked by Trump to the same, or perhaps an even greater extent than what you imply is happening to the Democratic party. I think AOC herself said that in any other country, she and, I believe it was Biden, wouldn't be considered members of the same party (because their ideologies are so different), but that's what you get with the two-party system here in the U.S. (which I personally think is hugely problematic and holds a significant portion of the responsibility for the deep divisions we have in this country today - humans' inherent tribalistic leanings and all that). I think this is one of those false dichotomy situations though, where you're told you've got X number of options, and there are no other options available - not true. I guess I'd have to go with your #1 though... I don't 'hate' Trump so much as I'm convinced he's simply toxic and corrosive to our systems of government, our legitimacy and image in the world, and our legitimacy as being lead by competent, honorable people. Btw, I'm much more of a fan of AOC than TYT - I think Cenk is fairly dumb and a douchebag.

Thanks for the response, I actually expanded a bit on it with this:



Punk, I appreciate the discussion but you're sort of cherry-picking what to respond to. Are you content with the democrat party being hijacked by  communist/socialist radicals as long as it achieves the greater good of getting trump out of office? If the answer is yes, what if this strategy had no chance of beating trump in 2020? Would you then still be supportive of this happening to the democrat party? It would be crazy if you're answer is still yes.

If it doesn't achieve the goal of getting trump out of office, aren't efforts better focused on the left getting their shit straight? I'm not pro-trump. But I do notice the media bias against him, and I am very critical of the left because they are the ones that need to BECOME the more viable option. They're losing, yet all they do is become bigger losers.   :raincloud:

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 17, 2020, 12:11:05 PM »
I asked you something specific again punk, and all I got was paragraphs about the label commie when I was just informally stating how old school classic democrats feel. It's the truth, use google if you want, but that was simply to illustrate that those with true left ideals anchored in their beliefs feel that way. Not my main point at all though. Feel free to respond to everything in my post but don't ignore the main damn point or question and cherry pick something like that :lolsign:

Just trying to keep the discussion moving forward, you were kinda doing it to others as well.

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 17, 2020, 11:59:02 AM »
Yes^.

Additionally, if Bernie becomes president and declares climate change a national emergency do you think they'd stick around then? Declaring national emergencies is the oldest trick in the book to obtain executive power to do whatever you want. Only...climate is involved with EVERYTHING. It would be disastrous to our economy and he's already said he'll do it. Why in the hell would they wanna do business here?

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 17, 2020, 05:18:24 AM »

In my prior post, I described predictions I'd made about how Trump might blunder into foreign wars. And I described how my predictions failed to align with observed reality, requiring me to reassess/adjust/reevaluate.

When does that happen in your calculus?

If Trump serves two terms and ends up doing a pretty good job overall, do you still get to say, "aha! but he was a narcissist all along!"

This is just the more sensible approach. I was surprised as well concerning Iran, which is why I felt compelled to look at it like this:

Have y'all simplified what happened in Iran to this extent? Iran claimed victory over the US and is celebrating over the missiles, some sources claiming to have killed 80 US soldiers. They're happy. Trump killed their top general, threw more sanctions at them, and they're happy. He completely swindled them in this deal.

At one point you must start recognizing trump's production and results. I keep seeing the word winning, but that IS sort of what he does. Barr keeps telling him to lay off twitter so he can assist him more politically, but otherwise somehow he continuously outwits his opponents in an unimpressive fashion nearly every damn time. It's mind blowing really, and I don't attribute it to trump's wit but the lack thereof of his opponents who have been playing politics for decades. You can't deny the results.

Punk, I appreciate the discussion but you're sort of cherry-picking what to respond to. Are you content with the democrat party being hijacked by  communist/socialist radicals as long as it achieves the greater good of getting trump out of office? If the answer is yes, what if this strategy had no chance of beating trump in 2020? Would you then still be supportive of this happening to the democrat party? It would be crazy if you're answer is still yes.

Right now the true blue democrats are screaming WTF are you doing to my party? You can't have open borders, and we're not commies!!! So eliminating trump has to be worth it to y'all, but why on earth aren't you at least considering it a tough decision?

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 16, 2020, 04:09:51 PM »
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The democrat party being hijacked isn't up for dispute and there's two sides you can take. 1. I'm ok with it because I hate trump so bad, or 2. This is unacceptable, the democrat party needs to go back to the drawing board because we're not the party of AOC and the young Turks.

 :???:

That's the real question, and it's always dodged. Clearly you think trump is so incompetent that you're going with #1, but I don't think you fully grasp what that entails. Too focused on trump.

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 16, 2020, 09:56:30 AM »
That's not what posters are saying either. Everyone's aware and support the many social policies we have and there's an obvious distinction that's been clarified in this thread. It's a massive oversimplification to say "it's not socialism, it's Democratic socialism, we have social programs and policies look at medicare and social security", when the specific examples and quotes are cited.

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 16, 2020, 09:39:22 AM »
That's a hefty generalization of the posts concerning socialism, communism, and the democrat party. That is NOT what people are saying here. The two party system presents an equation for power. You take over just 1 party, then you take control of the country. And that is what certain radical folks with socialist and communist agendas are doing with the democrat party. This is a fact. We're not talking about left/right/libertarian/authoritarian quadrants that show Hillary Clinton is in the middle-right but favoring authoritarianism, which is comparable to a republican on the right and favoring authoritarianism (side note, most people are middle favoring libertarianism without even knowing it). The democrat party being hijacked isn't up for dispute and there's two sides you can take. 1. I'm ok with it because I hate trump so bad, or 2. This is unacceptable, the democrat party needs to go back to the drawing board because we're not the party of AOC and the young Turks.

 :???:

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 16, 2020, 08:07:36 AM »
https://gen.medium.com/ive-been-a-democrat-for-20-years-here-s-what-i-experienced-at-trump-s-rally-in-new-hampshire-c69ddaaf6d07

That was a good read quadz, and that exemplifies why I think trump is going to win by a big margin. The whole reality behind these rallies is nuts. Have we ever seen something like them in our lifetime? Have our parents?

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 16, 2020, 07:25:12 AM »
Boy am I glad I have quadz and focalor to better articulate everything I feel and agree with.  :bananaw00t:

Our grandparents democratic party is gone, and lefties with socialist/communist agendas are fighting for control of the remnants of it. It's why I said to try to keep an open mind punk. No one here is even CLOSE to the stereotypical trump supporter that mainstream media labels anyone who is anti-left.

I talked with a coworker 2 days ago who vehemently and blindly despises trump. He claims trump takes a shit on the constitution 5x a day among other things... we were discussing narrative driven media and I told him that fox news is literally the same thing as msnbc and CNN. He got pissed and disagreed entirely stating that CNN and msnbc were both "very hard" on Obama. I just don't even know what to say to that... I responded uhh, everyone knows what fox news is, but the only use it did have during that time is that they were the ONLY ones that would say ANYTHING bad about Obama... then of course you can further research it to verify and validate any claims yourself. He stood his ground and said no that's not true, they were very hard on obama and fox news is the biggest propaganda machine in the world.

It was really an unpleasant conversation, he was full of anger and resentment for trump and the right. But that kinda sums up the left these days.  I sort of ended it by stating I'd argue that msnbc/cnn is even worse because they have you convinced of all of this somehow.   :lolsign:

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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: February 15, 2020, 06:32:55 PM »
Just because you may not be like that it doesn't mean they're a minority. One's opinion or lack thereof of trump is an ultimatum for a lot of the left.

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