It has been fun, but I no longer have any reason to continue with this thread, or any other thread.Since personal experiences prove nothing, any and all things we might discuss fall into the category of nothing. Why? Everything we discuss is based on our personal experience, what we've read, heard, learned in some form or fashion.This also means all the science in the world means nothing. Why? Because every experiment, every theorem, every idea is embedded with the personal experience of scientists who then pass that on to us - however, since personal experiences prove nothing, all the stuff science has so called proven is invalid because it is based on the personal experience of the scientist who has communicated their personal experiences (learning, etc)
Well I was hoping you or quads would respond to this. Neither of you have. Only reaper. And trying understand him gives me an aneurysm. sie
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on February 05, 2007, 08:07:38 PMQuote from: Whirlingdervish(Q2C) on February 05, 2007, 10:44:25 AMbut how far does that so-called "free-will" extend?can we decide as a species that we don't want god around anymore?will he abide by our decision because he gave us the choice to do what we please?Of course. Haven't you noticed, we've already done a great deal of that. We told God we didn't want him messing around our schools anymore, so he stepped aside. "Hmmm, gee wiz Wally, why does Timmy have that AK47 and a strange look in his eye ???"Oh, and while we we're at it, we also told God to get his nose out of our goverments business. We do have seperation of church and state ya know. So he stepped aside there to, and took his vail of protection with him. "Look, it's a Bird, it's a PLane, no it's Super Osama !!!!"Seperation of church and state was meant to keep goverment from being run by a church and churches from being run by the goverment. But hell, we've made sure to take it to such extremes you can't even be caught with a small nativity scene on a court house square without 30 lashes.Due to the typos and content, I will refrain from producing a well thought out response. I have a question though, if shoving god away from us was the cause for all these problems, why is it that the highly secular Scandinavian countries are among the most generous in terms of helping the developing world, as well as enjoying higher standards of living themselves by almost any index?
Quote from: Whirlingdervish(Q2C) on February 05, 2007, 10:44:25 AMbut how far does that so-called "free-will" extend?can we decide as a species that we don't want god around anymore?will he abide by our decision because he gave us the choice to do what we please?Of course. Haven't you noticed, we've already done a great deal of that. We told God we didn't want him messing around our schools anymore, so he stepped aside. "Hmmm, gee wiz Wally, why does Timmy have that AK47 and a strange look in his eye ???"Oh, and while we we're at it, we also told God to get his nose out of our goverments business. We do have seperation of church and state ya know. So he stepped aside there to, and took his vail of protection with him. "Look, it's a Bird, it's a PLane, no it's Super Osama !!!!"Seperation of church and state was meant to keep goverment from being run by a church and churches from being run by the goverment. But hell, we've made sure to take it to such extremes you can't even be caught with a small nativity scene on a court house square without 30 lashes.
but how far does that so-called "free-will" extend?can we decide as a species that we don't want god around anymore?will he abide by our decision because he gave us the choice to do what we please?
Well I was hoping you or quads would respond to this. Neither of you have. Only reaper. Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on February 03, 2007, 08:31:23 PMWell the Beast is already here. It
Well the Beast is already here. It
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on February 03, 2007, 08:31:23 PMWell I'm off work tonight, tomarrow, and Tuesday. So I have plenty of time to debate. First of all no one ever said anything about this.Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on December 06, 2006, 09:55:04 PMRevelation 13 16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.Well the Beast is already here. It
Well I'm off work tonight, tomarrow, and Tuesday. So I have plenty of time to debate. First of all no one ever said anything about this.Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on December 06, 2006, 09:55:04 PMRevelation 13 16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.Well the Beast is already here. It
Revelation 13 16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.Well the Beast is already here. It
I was hoping you would respond to:Quote from: DaHanG on February 05, 2007, 09:11:01 PMI have a question though, if shoving god away from us was the cause for all these problems, why is it that the highly secular Scandinavian countries are among the most generous in terms of helping the developing world, as well as enjoying higher standards of living themselves by almost any index?
I have a question though, if shoving god away from us was the cause for all these problems, why is it that the highly secular Scandinavian countries are among the most generous in terms of helping the developing world, as well as enjoying higher standards of living themselves by almost any index?
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on February 05, 2007, 10:36:19 PMQuote from: DaHanG on February 05, 2007, 09:11:01 PMQuote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on February 05, 2007, 08:07:38 PMGod doesn't bless these kids with cancer, we do. Through our free will to engage in pollution, food additives, tobacco use, drug use, alchahol abuse, and many many other varibles. All these things lead to bad things for the living, AND OR screw up our DNA to insure our kids get it when, and in some cases, before they're born.Most innocent people are continually suffering in ways in which their free will was defanitly a factor.Although some suffer for the betterment of others.Example: Kid born blind though an act of God, grows up, learns to deal with it, teaches others people blinded by acts of man how to cope and deal with it. Enstead of cursing God for his aflection, he thanks God for choosing him or her to help other.I would like the evidence of your claims that all these factors literally cause birth defects. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_packaging_warning_signsIn early 2006 a new initiative was introduced, with graphic images depicting the effects of smoking cigarettes to be displayed on cigarette packets. As of March 1, warnings must cover 30% of the front and 90% of the back of the box. [1]The Australian warnings had previously consisted of six rotating messages occupying 25% of the front of the box. These warnings were:smoking causes lung cancer smoking is addictive smoking kills smoking causes heart disease smoking when pregnant harms your baby your smoking can harm others Additionally, 33% of the back of the box contained detailed information about the harm of smoking. The information related to the specific warning used on the front.Furthermore, each box must display (occupying an entire side of the pack) information regarding the tar, nicotine and carbon monoxide content of each cigarette.I
Quote from: DaHanG on February 05, 2007, 09:11:01 PMQuote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on February 05, 2007, 08:07:38 PMGod doesn't bless these kids with cancer, we do. Through our free will to engage in pollution, food additives, tobacco use, drug use, alchahol abuse, and many many other varibles. All these things lead to bad things for the living, AND OR screw up our DNA to insure our kids get it when, and in some cases, before they're born.Most innocent people are continually suffering in ways in which their free will was defanitly a factor.Although some suffer for the betterment of others.Example: Kid born blind though an act of God, grows up, learns to deal with it, teaches others people blinded by acts of man how to cope and deal with it. Enstead of cursing God for his aflection, he thanks God for choosing him or her to help other.I would like the evidence of your claims that all these factors literally cause birth defects. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_packaging_warning_signsIn early 2006 a new initiative was introduced, with graphic images depicting the effects of smoking cigarettes to be displayed on cigarette packets. As of March 1, warnings must cover 30% of the front and 90% of the back of the box. [1]The Australian warnings had previously consisted of six rotating messages occupying 25% of the front of the box. These warnings were:smoking causes lung cancer smoking is addictive smoking kills smoking causes heart disease smoking when pregnant harms your baby your smoking can harm others Additionally, 33% of the back of the box contained detailed information about the harm of smoking. The information related to the specific warning used on the front.Furthermore, each box must display (occupying an entire side of the pack) information regarding the tar, nicotine and carbon monoxide content of each cigarette.
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on February 05, 2007, 08:07:38 PMGod doesn't bless these kids with cancer, we do. Through our free will to engage in pollution, food additives, tobacco use, drug use, alchahol abuse, and many many other varibles. All these things lead to bad things for the living, AND OR screw up our DNA to insure our kids get it when, and in some cases, before they're born.Most innocent people are continually suffering in ways in which their free will was defanitly a factor.Although some suffer for the betterment of others.Example: Kid born blind though an act of God, grows up, learns to deal with it, teaches others people blinded by acts of man how to cope and deal with it. Enstead of cursing God for his aflection, he thanks God for choosing him or her to help other.I would like the evidence of your claims that all these factors literally cause birth defects.
God doesn't bless these kids with cancer, we do. Through our free will to engage in pollution, food additives, tobacco use, drug use, alchahol abuse, and many many other varibles. All these things lead to bad things for the living, AND OR screw up our DNA to insure our kids get it when, and in some cases, before they're born.Most innocent people are continually suffering in ways in which their free will was defanitly a factor.Although some suffer for the betterment of others.Example: Kid born blind though an act of God, grows up, learns to deal with it, teaches others people blinded by acts of man how to cope and deal with it. Enstead of cursing God for his aflection, he thanks God for choosing him or her to help other.
And besides, it's not God that brings illness and tragedy, it's satan. blame him, not God.
People doesn't seem to realize that Satan does EVERYTHING in his power to make as many people as he can turn from God and that includes striking children with horrible afflictions.
Once again, put your statements into context with some real reasoning. If there was no god, then these destructive natural phenomena make perfect sense. If there was a god, then we must ask the question
Quote from: dahangOnce again, put your statements into context with some real reasoning. If there was no god, then these destructive natural phenomena make perfect sense. If there was a god, then we must ask the question
Quote from: DaHanG on February 05, 2007, 10:54:07 PMI was hoping you would respond to:Quote from: DaHanG on February 05, 2007, 09:11:01 PMI have a question though, if shoving god away from us was the cause for all these problems, why is it that the highly secular Scandinavian countries are among the most generous in terms of helping the developing world, as well as enjoying higher standards of living themselves by almost any index?This is the same type of question as "Why are there so many hypocrites in Church?"Well first of all, I really believe that non-believers can truelly give from there hearts. I never said you "have" to believe in God to be a good hearted person.BUT, If Satan can make non-believers look like Saints, and that help prove to you that God doesn't exist, then he's done his job well.Also, if he can make a christian look like a complete ass in front of everybody, and that help prove to you that God doesn't exist, there again, he's done his job well.After all, the Anti-Christ does come to power by bringing peace to the world.
And besides, it's not God that brings illness and tragedy, it's satan. blame him, not God.People doesn't seem to realize that Satan does EVERYTHING in his power to make as many people as he can turn from God and that includes striking children with horrible afflictions.And Satans greatest trick on mankind was convincing people that even he doesn't exists.
Quote from: metal on February 05, 2007, 10:34:13 AMthere is no such thing as a perfect world.This is man's world, not God's. We have free will.What about all the little kids God decided to "bless" with terminal cancer? (For example.)You've already said you're sure God takes an active role in creating the universe, and creating species, etc.If God is so actively involved, why are innocent people continually suffering in ways in which their free will was not a factor?"lmao" ?Regards,quadz
there is no such thing as a perfect world.This is man's world, not God's. We have free will.
diseases and natural disasters are not evil.