Quote from: dahangit's intellectually satisfying to say there was an all powerful being that was around for an eternity (and does not require an explanation) before the universe was created? that seems more like a way to simply avoid the problem at hand. as i've said, the entity of god himself IS the most improbable being conceivable. name one single entity less improbable than godi think the human race is on the right track trying to understand everything they can. i'm not against this at all - i'm all for it. you have determined god IS the most improbable being conceivable. it's easy to conceive of something more complicated than god. what if something created god himself, and so on. there are plenty of people who use reasoning to form their belief in god. do you think these people think god is improbable, and yet still believe in god? science and cosmology cannot say how probable god is - at least not yet. practically no one who believes in god is trying to avoid problems, or trying to fill in the gaps in science with god. god created all things, so it's inherent he's all powerful (in my opinion), i think this means many questions about god are incomprehensible.
it's intellectually satisfying to say there was an all powerful being that was around for an eternity (and does not require an explanation) before the universe was created? that seems more like a way to simply avoid the problem at hand. as i've said, the entity of god himself IS the most improbable being conceivable. name one single entity less improbable than god
once again, we must distinguish from the probability that the universe occurred on a purely natural level, and the probability that the god, entity itself, exists.
my point was: but it
Quote from: dahangonce again, we must distinguish from the probability that the universe occurred on a purely natural level, and the probability that the god, entity itself, exists.you have some sort of equation that produces results?
Quote from: dahangmy point was: but it
once again, we must distinguish from the probability that the universe occurred on a purely natural level, and the probability that the god, entity itself, exists.Quote from: reaperyou have some sort of equation that produces results?Quote from: dahangbased on our probabilities formulated on matter within the universe forming the way it did, just imagine the probabilities to have a highly complex intelligence (that isn't even matter) being formulated.
you have some sort of equation that produces results?Quote from: dahangbased on our probabilities formulated on matter within the universe forming the way it did, just imagine the probabilities to have a highly complex intelligence (that isn't even matter) being formulated.
based on our probabilities formulated on matter within the universe forming the way it did, just imagine the probabilities to have a highly complex intelligence (that isn't even matter) being formulated.
i'm ok with that, i believe it supports an argument for a god - science doesn't make god unlikely, and god resolves accidents of magnificent proportions (what is expected is irrelevant)Quote from: dahangi don't know why you would say definitively what science does and does not do in regard to the question of god. especially when nobel peace prize winning physicists and evolutionary biologists (some among the most intellectual in the world) have a completely different opinion on a scientific basis. god resolves anything by definition (a non-answer).
i don't know why you would say definitively what science does and does not do in regard to the question of god. especially when nobel peace prize winning physicists and evolutionary biologists (some among the most intellectual in the world) have a completely different opinion on a scientific basis. god resolves anything by definition (a non-answer).
but tell me, why would i want a one-way ticket to hell? surely the worst sin in christianity is the denial of the holy spirit, and i have done this while acknowledging i desperately want religion to be true. how is my atheism wishful thinking? i have a problem with eternal happiness after life and i want eternal suffering?
how so? please address this:if god is all powerful and all good, why is there evil? "he gave us free will" is a typical response (which is a pretty horrific thing to do when considering what he knows happens because of it - but lets leave that problem aside), but there's plenty of evil being done by hurricances / tornados / earthquakes / disease / etc (the list goes on). a response to that may be "god designed these evil happenings for humans to overcome them and bring the best of them". however, if i were to pick on some 4 year old girl and intentionally poison her drink which leads to her death (the same way she might catch some fatal virus that god can clearly prevent) for her family to become stronger, i would be dismissed as one wicked person. morality is morality, no matter who or what is responsible. if this is the way god operates, i have no respect for him. if there was a god, i don't think he would operate like this.Quote from: reaperperfect is a balacing act.Quote from: dahang...english?
perfect is a balacing act.Quote from: dahang...english?
...english?
Quote from: dahangonce again, we must distinguish from the probability that the universe occurred on a purely natural level, and the probability that the god, entity itself, exists.Quote from: reaperyou have some sort of equation that produces results?Quote from: dahangbased on our probabilities formulated on matter within the universe forming the way it did, just imagine the probabilities to have a highly complex intelligence (that isn't even matter) being formulated.i don't think that's an apples to apples comparison. we don't know enough about the "imaginary" complex intelligence. so god should not exists because he is complicated? even though you don't have another explanation, your just saying stuff is always there - which doesn't make sense if you don't believe in accidents. i think god exists because god is why things are the way they are.
there is no such thing as a perfect world.This is man's world, not God's. We have free will.
there is no such thing as a perfect world.This is man's world, not God's.
What about all the little kids God decided to "bless" with terminal cancer?
but how far does that so-called "free-will" extend?can we decide as a species that we don't want god around anymore?will he abide by our decision because he gave us the choice to do what we please?
If it is truly free-will, then we would have the choice to change the universe however we saw fit to whatever end we decided upon.