Author Topic: Tourney 3rd Edition (Settings/News/Discussion) (Read 35469 times)

Laurelin · « **on:** August 26, 2005, 03:56:20 PM »

Tourney 3rd Edition

Info:

Tourney has start, you can still join in if it is in the First Round - Check the signups thread and simply signup. You will be added to the waiting list and replacing dropping out players (or filling BYEs since the brackets weren't all filled)

Frag of the Tourney Contest: http://tastyspleen.net/quake/forums/index.php?topic=1093.0

Pro-Bracket:
Q2Advance Forced : http://www.q2players.org/q2advance/q2a1.0b5.zip
A prize of 100 US$ for the winner.
1v1 dm
2 best out of 3
15min / OT:2min
Seeding = Random
Double-Elimination
Bracket:

banes · « **Reply #1 on:** August 26, 2005, 04:27:27 PM »

hmm players indicate where they wanna go? i gues that make sense, people will compete where they feel they stand a chance, i just hope people dont join brackets too easy for them, i personally want to go with sport since there is a novice bracket, but i still feel like id be too good for that and not good enough for pro

Laurelin · « **Reply #2 on:** August 26, 2005, 04:39:07 PM »

Well - if people prefer to ignore a cash prize to whoop some asses I guess that's their loss.

banes · « **Reply #3 on:** August 26, 2005, 04:51:14 PM »

lol laurelin, theres are many pro players remaining, only one of them is going to win the cash prize, and not every one of them thinks that they have a shot of winning that cash prize

Laurelin · « **Reply #4 on:** August 26, 2005, 05:42:03 PM »

Well I rely on their overconfidence to join in care/fearlessly.

naymlis · « **Reply #5 on:** August 27, 2005, 09:07:20 AM »

mik3d: http://tastyspleen.net/quake/forums/index.php?topic=988.0

i might have to sign up for this, but i dunno... an open tourney with cash prize? i smell cheaters

Laurelin · « **Reply #6 on:** August 27, 2005, 09:54:25 AM »

Concerning the 'Cheating' Dilemma. We will have a 5-person committee appointed to wallhack tracking. They will inspect demos if some accusations arise ~ with top-tier high-tech detecting tools.

And will vote if yes or no the player is cheating.

I will post later about it. That being said - no clients are forced. Only demo recording.

tr3y · « **Reply #7 on:** August 27, 2005, 10:50:32 AM »

No forcing of q2a?

its the only active anti cheat out there.

Laurelin · « **Reply #8 on:** August 27, 2005, 11:02:18 AM »

After some discussion with influent persons, Tastyspleen will force the use of q2advance for the 'Pro-Bracket'.
Latest version here: http://www.q2players.org/q2advance/q2a1.0b5.zip

Regards,
Laurelin

DEMOn · « **Reply #9 on:** August 27, 2005, 06:50:22 PM »

I think the forcing of q2a is improper, unnecessary, and disturbing.

Laurelin · « **Reply #10 on:** August 27, 2005, 07:09:44 PM »

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I think the forcing of q2a is improper, unnecessary, and disturbing. But it is your tournament, not mine. If q2a didn't play differently than the real game(as nocheat does) then I wouldn't have any problems with it...

I agree when it stays in the realm of fun-sport gaming. But if you want to get a fair tourney with high-level competitors, where cheating is always an issue. I believe it is the least to use an actively-updated anti-cheat client. Sport bracket and Novice Do Not force any client.

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much more importantly, I don't like the bracket system segregation decisions. I don't see ANY players in Novice who don't belong in Sport or even Pro. I think you forgot that this is supposed to be about fun... and I thought it was supposed to appeal to the TS players in general -- you know, the people who play on the TS servers.

Well I can clearly see people in the Novice and Sport bracket who really do not belong with the likes of Naymlis/daHang etc... unless they wanna get raped. This segregation allows for specific environnment of competition. I dont see how you could prefer a one-bracket over this, or how it does take the fun away?

I have seen most of these players on the Tastyspleen servers. The Novice and Sport bracket should/will be filled with them. The Pro bracket might get more players from q2players but it is exactly what I aimed for, seeing as we have three brackets possible. While it still offers three level of competition for our Tastyspleeners, it also welcomes outsiders to join in Tastyspleen.

Please tell me how this is so wrong to you?

Regards,
Laurelin

banes · « **Reply #11 on:** August 27, 2005, 07:29:48 PM »

demon you belong in sport bracket, unless you are willing to be dedicated and practice for this tournament which would put you in th e pro bracket, its really up to how much dedication you want to put in

DEMOn · « **Reply #12 on:** August 27, 2005, 08:16:41 PM »

Quote from: Laurelin on August 27, 2005, 07:09:44 PM

I agree when it stays in the realm of fun-sport gaming. But if you want to get a fair tourney with high-level competitors, where cheating is always an issue. I believe it is the least to use an actively-updated anti-cheat client. Sport bracket and Novice Do Not force any client.

Well I can clearly see people in the Novice and Sport bracket who really do not belong with the likes of Naymlis/daHang etc... unless they wanna get raped. This segregation allows for specific environnment of competition. I dont see how you could prefer a one-bracket over this, or how it does take the fun away?

I have seen most of these players on the Tastyspleen servers. The Novice and Sport bracket should/will be filled with them. The Pro bracket might get more players from q2players but it is exactly what I aimed for, seeing as we have three brackets possible. While it still offers three level of competition for our Tastyspleeners, it also welcomes outsiders to join in Tastyspleen.

Please tell me how this is so wrong to you?

1) well, obviously the people in the pro bracket don't have an issue with q2a, so I am out of place to even bring it up -- since it doesn't apply to me at all.
2) I was thinking of the tournament in the opposite direction -- it should be designed for the general TS players, IMVHO. I'd MUCH rather have (and watch) Rookie[MOD] flounce Floating Turd than watch Elysium edge Rehash.
although one bracket has it's advantages (esp with double-elim), I do want multiple brackets.

I guess I don't like that there are 2 Sport brackets and no Novice bracket(s).
(for the record, the novice bracket is a misnomer... it should be called AAA or something.. these aren't novice players by any means)
that is why I suggested the points system. Bleach and Kyper can play the novice bracket, but they still can only win 10 pts(or something)... whereas the Sport bracket victor would garner a mighty 50 pts or something. Bleach's 10pts would look pretty sad compared to Banes' 50 on the ranking page now wouldn't it? as it is, there is no reason to join the Sport bracket (besides honor) over the Novice bracket.
and making the Pro bracket so elitist, why would c-12 want that kind of pressure? If I had his skill, I'd join the Sport bracket too, just to have fun playing the game. No pressure, just fun.
The weakest player who has signed up for the last 2 tournaments can win map after map on the TS servers... and that is my complaint. There isn't room in this tournament for anything short of a 'Sport' level player. I'd like to be able to invite people to join us, but I can't because the tournament is really for experienced, near-experts only.

lastly, I regret having a rude tone in my previous post. YOU are doing something for all of us, I'm just sitting back doing nothing.

DEMOn · « **Reply #13 on:** August 27, 2005, 08:18:55 PM »

Quote from: banes on August 27, 2005, 07:29:48 PM

demon you belong in sport bracket, unless you are willing to be dedicated and practice for this tournament which would put you in th e pro bracket, its really up to how much dedication you want to put in

both parts of that statement are overly kind... and sadly probably not true.
And I think you have the dedication to make the pro bracket yourself.

Laurelin · « **Reply #14 on:** August 27, 2005, 08:32:22 PM »

Well DEMOn, its all relative to who joins.

If 30 tastyspleen novice players sign-up right away in the Novice-Bracket, will you care anymore about the few ones who could join higher brackets?

People should not be scared to join the bracket that defines them, regardless of who's in. This is how things will get a perfect balance. Of course if you look at names and get scared it won't help.

The Novice bracket as it is right now can definitly accomodate the n00best 1on1 players imo - even though they will probably get defeated (that's the point anyway, to eventually improve in it. You dont expect them to win it all).

Another problem with those players you point (tastyspleen novice bunch) is that they have no interest in tourneys - let alone if they even know the forums exist. For many people it is only an hour of fun they spend on q2 that they don't wanna waste on forums and scheduling stuff.

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You are right though that there are players who could fit in sport bracket, and vice-versa (as well for pro-sport). But this was their choice on how skilled they felt they were. And I don't wanna place them myself as it would be much more unfair as it is now.

Also - c12 switched to Sport Bracket
Oh, and DEMOn - you are Sport material. enough said.

Regards,
Laurelin

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