Tourney 3rd Edition (Settings/News/Discussion)

[X'tyfe]

i think thats fair
i dont think anyone in pro would cheat, i think they would still out match anyone who used a cheat

[seanikai]

q2a's only being forced because someones afraid ditzu is going to play, now that he has apparently joined the tastyspleen community

[X'tyfe]

whats wrong with that? has he cheated before?
just keep an eye on him then, dont let everyone else suffer becuase of it

[banes]

i dont see how installing q2a constitutes as "suffering", figure it out, im certain theres a way to get q2a to run as good as nocheat, maybe not r1q2, but who cares its fuckin q2, your pc can run that shit smooth as butter unless you bought your pc in 1998, get over it

vaginas

[X'tyfe]

well people are complainign about it
i think everyoen shoudl be free to choose what eever client they want
and not be limited by people who cheat

vaginas

took the words right outa my mouth

[everkill]

xtife, I agree with you that the cheaters shouldnt ruin it for everyone but guess what buddy, thats life. The few ruin it for the many, and thats how it will always be. so just get used to it cuz thats all u can do.

[X'tyfe]

is it really that bad? i dontt think iv ever seen anyone cheat before

[{TNP}Dukie]

your pc can run that shit smooth as butter unless you bought your pc in 1998, get over it

LOL My Q2 pc was bought in 2000

heh heh

[everkill]

well thats cuz u dont know that they are cheating. wall hacking is a really undectable cheat by the naked eye. the only way u can tell if someone is wall hacking is if they make no effort at all to hide it. Otherwise, it just looks like a good player. and even aimbotting is hard to spot if someone has the fov low enuff and uses a high sensitivity. and its almost impossible to see if they avoid using the rail. so yeah, i bet u've played with tons of cheaters but you had no idea cuz they made it look legit.

[the Crazed]

Hmmmm.....

I think forcing q2a shouldn't be too much of a problem, I like the idea of the winner actually being above cheat accusations, although I doubt that will happen. 

[tr3y]

Cheating is basically unstoppable even with q2a.  John Carmack himself said there is no way possible to stop it and I dont think EP is a better programmer than him.  At the very least it will give people some sense that there is a good chance who they play isnt cheating, but its still uncertain.  Im all for making it harder though, its the least we can do.

And everkill is right, iv found out about way to many people back in the old days that cheated that nobody ever knew they did, they were just thought of as some of hte better players.  If you use an aimbot and turn down the FOV very low like 5 there is really no way to spot it with the naked eye.  Even frame by frame on demo you cant tell, because the demo doesnt record every frame and you can try it yourself on your own demo's and see rail shots hit not exactly where your crosshair is.  Granted this wont make someone hit every shot, but when you take a player who already has a very good rail and give them that little extra advantage they hit all the shots they should miss by just a little.  And the wallhack is just as hard to spot if they dont make it very obivious, they just look like someone who is good at predicting where someone is from sounds and instincts.

I would bet money that at least a few of the top known players right now do indeed cheat.  You would have to be extremely naive to think that none of them do.  Especially the ones with the bad attitudes, inflated ego's, and horrible in game manners.  Do you really think some of those guys who are just complete assholes, wont team with people unless they know there team will win, take the game way to serious, wouldnt hesitate to use cheats if they have ones that work and can get away with it?  I almost think I can spot a cheater just by the person's general attitude, basically if you think, ya that guys an ass, takes the fun out of the game, is way to competitive, and plays almost unhuman like, and usually cant get q2a to work, you really think they will honor everyone else by playing fair if they get the chance not to?

To quote John Carmack

I'm sure I will catch some flack about increased cheating after the source release, but there are plenty of Q2 cheats already out there, so you are already in the position of having to trust the other players to a degree. The problem is really only solvable by relying on the community to police itself, because it is a fundamentally unwinnable technical battle to make a completely cheat proof game of this type. Play with your friends.

To be honest I dont think you can ever expect to have a cheat free tourney online, I have accepted this fact many years ago.  And even some of the people you hold the utmost respect for can and will get caught cheating at some point.  All I can say is dont make it easy for them. If forcing q2a will even deter just 1 person from cheating whether they end up playing cheat free or just not playing at all then its worth it to me.

And there really is no huge difference in the clients when it comes down to it, if your good your good, you will beat the same people you are capable of beating with any client.  And any hardcore 1vs1 or tdm player should actually like q2a, its made by and oldschool gx'er with them in mind and in my opinion, anti cheat part of the client aside, its the best client out there for 1vs1/tdm players anyway.  The only part of r1q2 that really has any significance is the new network code, and just about any serious q2 player i have know that uses it usually sets cl_async 0 to get it to feel right which in turn disables that new network code anyway.  The directinput mouse is maybe something to want to use it for, but q2a has the exact same mouse code as nocheat as far as m_accel 0 setting and m_accel 2 are concerned.

Sorry for the long rant but iv just been playing this game way to long, and  have seen way to many people I have had respect for as players only to later find out they just cheated.  And seeing people act like its something people dont do, or could be easy to tell if they did do it, is just something that needs to be know that it happens and you cant tell.  Use your instincs, gut feelings, if you suspect it of someone and they come off as someone you wouldnt put it past to cheat, you'r instincts are probaly right.

[X'tyfe]

if anything q2a is more of a cheat
i heard there starting to use automated timers

[[BTF]Defiant!]

Cheating is basically unstoppable even with q2a. 
..

Agree with your post.

What we can do is discourage cheating and make players more accountable:
 - encourage use of Q2A, and the unique player identifier which comes with it
 - encourage the client and server developers to keep moving ahead
 - use refs and demo analysis as Laurelin mentioned
 - ban players who have cheated in any tourney
 - aggressively confront players who have cheated online

Def

[|D|cartman]

heh. catch up xtife, that was like 2 versions ago. automated timers are gone. and q2a is in no way a cheat.

[X'tyfe]

ya i havent been looking at q2a much