Quote from: quadzWhat's God going to do when this Universe ends? Twiddle His thumbs? Seriously...Regards,quadz Oh! Oh! I know! I know! I know this one..... Can I answer it? huh? can I? can I? Drum roll please..............The same thing He was doing before it was created!! Wheeeee!!!!
What's God going to do when this Universe ends? Twiddle His thumbs? Seriously...Regards,quadz
science tells us that complex beings come into existence LATE. so to say science works very well with god (a highly complex being that has no evidence) couldn't be further from science. i think you're trying to say that since god solves all problems that science hasn't solved yet, they are compatible. god of the gaps for the win!regards,
If it can't be easily recorded, observed, inferred, or calculated, religious people will invariably blame it on God, instead of looking for a real answer, and in doing so, they majorly handicap their intellectual growth and their general understanding of the universe. "God" is the lazy-man's answer to the hard questions that are produced by having a modicum of intelligence.
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Well let's boot science out the door for a moment. I'll put on my spiffy religio-hat. After all, I've made the claim I've had more religious upbringing than any human being should possibly withstand!
All I'm asking is, if God is Infinite, by what leap of logic could it make sense to imagine He would create one finite universe, only? (Or should I be anticipating at reply that logic and religion don't mix either? )
Science be damned! I'm saying from my theist perspective, , God creating one finite universe makes no sense!!! Regards,quadz
Quote from: Whirlingdervish(Q2C)If it can't be easily recorded, observed, inferred, or calculated, religious people will invariably blame it on God, instead of looking for a real answer, and in doing so, they majorly handicap their intellectual growth and their general understanding of the universe. "God" is the lazy-man's answer to the hard questions that are produced by having a modicum of intelligence.I remember hearing a ruler of a rather large nation saying that religion is the opiate of the people. I also remember rulers of that nation saying their belief system would swallow the rest of the world because god was dead. None of which has come to pass.
Are you truly saying religious people are uneducated morons without a modicum of intelligence?
Quote from: dahanglike?i guess you don't believe in the holy spirit, to each his own.
the irony behind marxism is that it is still dogma - the real problem in my opinion. any sort of dogma, religious or not, can be twisted into very negative results. the "we shall conquer because our nation is _____" type mentality or "only X can get in heaven because of Y!" are very similar statements to me in terms of an ingroup/outgroup idealogy. it is not at all surprising that the godless communist soviet union failed to me. godlessness was not the reason though.DHG
i didn't infer that you mean godlessness was the reason, but in case you did there's my 2 cents.
i've been to church before, and i've never seen a hat like that
You have repeatedly pointed out that there's the possibility that a Universe that could support life, is an extremely unlikely configuration to erupt from the Singularity. However, I would like to read more about the science behind that claim, since I haven't run across that claim in my own reading. Unless there's strong science behind that claim, I don't see why I should take it on faith. But again, the main point where I strongly disagree with your position, is that you claim we can't understand what happened after the Big Bang without knowing what happened before it. Hawking makes the opposite claim, "At a singularity, all the laws of physics would have broken down. This means that the state of the universe, after the Big Bang, will not depend on anything that may have happened before, because the deterministic laws that govern the universe will break down in the Big Bang." Now, I would never say it's _impossible_ that he's wrong. But he's devoted his LIFE to the study of singularites and how they operate in the framework of General Relativity and quantum mechanics. He knows enough about how they interact with the lowest fundamental forces of nature to predict things about them that are only later verified by observation. So I'm going to go with his opinion on this one.
You have repeatedly pointed out that there's the possibility that a Universe that could support life, is an extremely unlikely configuration to erupt from the Singularity. However, I would like to read more about the science behind that claim, since I haven't run across that claim in my own reading. Unless there's strong science behind that claim, I don't see why I should take it on faith.
i guess you don't believe in the holy spirit, to each his own.Quote from: dahangand you do? i thought you were a theist, but not a christian???or do you like this idea that man created as well???
and you do? i thought you were a theist, but not a christian???or do you like this idea that man created as well???
Getting all the answers handed to you in a book is not a very useful way to increase one's cognitive capacity.
As I see it, religious people often paint themself into a corner with "Facts" and "Answers", while scientists are constantly broadening their horizons thru questioning the way things are and the way things were.
asking questions is not really all that popular when it comes to a certain point with religion..examples: (use these to stump your favorite preacher)
"who made god?"
"how can we have free will, if God knows what is going to happen to us?"
"what happens to God when the universe collapses?"