but you're just inventing god into existence in the first place....you don't see a problem with this?
i believe a highly complex intelligent spoon created the universe. there is absolutely no evidence
nope, not a single shred of evidence of any kind.
Quote from: dahang nope, not a single shred of evidence of any kind. that depends on how you are categorizing evidence. god fits into our current scientific understanding of things, and also with rational supporting arguments. alone these arguments don't suffice, but with more reasoning, in my opinion, they build a very strong case for a god, stronger than any explanation science has.
let's take a look at the gaps in science, which are filled in with god more reasonably(in my opinion) than anything else. science do es not know how and why the universe is there, and it's improbable (at inception) to get a life sustaining universe. stephen hawking put forth a vague proposal that he can make some scientific law work before the big bang. none of this is testable, and i'm not sure if you categorize vague scientific proposals as evidence (i assume you define evidence based on scientific methodology). none of this evidence is tested, we can test the big bang theory against predictions. my point is how much evidence we lack for any other explanation contrary to god. so any evidence to the contrary is the type of evidence people use to support the belief in god
why do you think the national academy of sciences (people who know far more than us) have 93% of it's members in disbelief in a god.
personally think i am on a divine mission. it's improbable that i would be born on exactly july 19, 1988, in lake worth florida as oppose to being at any other location on any other date. it's just too improbable and nothing fills in this improbability more reasonably (in my opinion) than god.
Quote from: dahangwhy do you think the national academy of sciences (people who know far more than us) have 93% of it's members in disbelief in a god. i'm positive they know more about science than i do, that doesn't mean they know anymore about the existance of a god.
Quote from: dahang personally think i am on a divine mission. it's improbable that i would be born on exactly july 19, 1988, in lake worth florida as oppose to being at any other location on any other date. it's just too improbable and nothing fills in this improbability more reasonably (in my opinion) than god.that's a pretty accurate analogy, except replace florida with a life sustaining universe. keep in mind, this is even more peculiar if there is only one big bang.
keep in mind, this is even more peculiar if there is only one big bang.
how does god fit into our scientific understanding of things? science has shown there is absolutely no need for god to explain ANYTHING. why do you think the national academy of sciences (people who know far more than us) have 93% of it's members in disbelief in a god. philosophy of eliminating the infinite regress by something immune to it is not 'evidence'.
Quote from: DaHanG on January 23, 2007, 07:30:12 PMhow does god fit into our scientific understanding of things? science has shown there is absolutely no need for god to explain ANYTHING. why do you think the national academy of sciences (people who know far more than us) have 93% of it's members in disbelief in a god. philosophy of eliminating the infinite regress by something immune to it is not 'evidence'. I am following these discussions with interest - I must point out though, using a fact that a majority of people believing in (or in this case disbelieving in) something really has no bearing on whether something is or is not true, a fact, etc. Majorities have been wrong (and well able to state "facts" to back up their positions) for as long as we have recorded history (probably longer).Continue people, continue....QD
omnipotence does not exist.. its just an abstract, radical concept that shares no relationship with God or man.
there is no evidence to conclude that we are the only universe or that we were created by the most intelligent/powerful being imaginable that does not require an explanation for why it itself exists. so why did you make a choice on the side of god instead of the multiverse?
did i really have good reason to explain away something very very improbable with god?
they are FAR less inclined to believe in god than a non-scientist.