The Big Bang is like a reset button for space-time.
this thread is old and the planet is even older i think we should save ourselves the time and just say none of us know what the hell we are talking about and give the "im gonna prove you wrong" ego a break because this thread is starting to make less sense and less sense . agreed? let's just lock this thread...
Quote from: quadz The Big Bang is like a reset button for space-time. It's not supposed to matter what happened before it.who says it's not supposed to matter what happens before the big bang. <snip>
The Big Bang is like a reset button for space-time. It's not supposed to matter what happened before it.
Quote from: quadz The Big Bang is like a reset button for space-time.
either way what happened before the big bang could be a big part of how planets are formed.
if something is outside this universe, who is to say the laws of this universe apply to it. it would just mean our laws don't always apply. i think stephen hawking is speaking under the presumption that the laws of physics apply no matter what, and to everything. if something created the universe, why he thinks it would apply to that higher power is a little strange.either way what happened before the big bang could be a big part of how planets are formed.
I don't care that the laws of physics that we already understand are sufficient to explain how planets form, and that we can model it mathematically and it works, and we can look through telescopes and see it actually happening.
Quote from: quadzI don't care that the laws of physics that we already understand are sufficient to explain how planets form, and that we can model it mathematically and it works, and we can look through telescopes and see it actually happening.until we know how the universe was created, we don't fully know how planets are formed.
i think knowing why and how something is just there, or if there was something there before, could be a huge part of that explanation.
so i dont think we know enough to say god is more complex than another explanation.
until we know how the universe was created, we don't fully know how planets are formed.
the fact that according to science, the universe could form any number of ways, the majority being non condusive to life as we know it, is evidence supporting a higher power. at this point it's not exactly scientific evidence, but it's an argument for a higher power. you can draw the conclusion something is just there, because it's less complex than something creating the universe outside the universe. or you can say if something existed before the big bang, it would be more complex than the matter just being there. but since there is not much at all backing that claim, no more than me saying it's ridiculous to assume things happened by accident, and it's extreme luck we are here -it would be a matter of opinion not based on solid evidence.
Maybe it is extreme luck that we are here, or maybe it isn't at all.