Ye Religion Thread

[reaper]

We have no
under
standing of the
meaning of
life

seems
pretty
accurate
to
me

[paradisel0st]

reaper
seems to enjoy
parading ar
ound li
ke some kind
of intelli
gent per
son when he is
infact an absolute
idiot :evil
king:

seems
pretty
accurate
to
me

Regards,

PARA

[[BTF]Gator]

http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=23917

[DaHanG]

good video, i like the attitudes of the hosts of that program 

 

[[BTF]Gator]

i'm not sure how direct a quote this is:

Ben Stein CBS Sunday Morning Commentary

If they know of him at all, many folks think Ben Stein is just a quirky
actor/comedian who talks in a monotone. He's also a very intelligent
attorney who knows how to put ideas and words together in such a way as to
sway juries and make people think clearly.

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS
Sunday Morning Commentary



Herewith at this happy time of year, a few confessions from my
beating heart: I have no freaking clue who Nick and Jessica are. I see them
on the cover of People and Us constantly when I am buying my dog biscuits
and kitty litter. I often ask the checkers at the grocery stores. They never
know who Nick and Jessica are either. Who are they? Will it change my life
if I know who they are and why they have broken up? Why are they so
important?

I don't know who Lindsay Lohan is either, and I do not care at all
about Tom Cruise's wife.  Am I going to be called before a Senate committee
and asked if I am a subversive? Maybe, but I just have no clue who Nick and
Jessica are.  If this is what it means to be no longer young. It's not so
bad.

Next confession:

I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it
does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit
up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don' t feel
discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, "Merry Christmas" to
me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a
ghetto.
In fact, I kind of like it It shows that we are all brothers and sisters
celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there
is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in
Malibu . If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the
Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think
Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people
who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I
have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly
atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution, and I don't like it
being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that
we should worship Nick and Jessica and we aren't allowed to worship God as
we understand Him?

I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.

But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica
came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is
a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's
intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane
Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this Happen?"
(regarding Katrina)

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She
said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for
years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our
government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I
believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His
blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc.
I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her
body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and
we
said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible
says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as
yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when
they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we
might
damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an
expert should know what he's talking about and we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why
they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill
strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it
out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why
the world's going to hell.

Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the
Bible says.

Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like
wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people
think twice about sharing.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through
cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and
workplace.

Are you laughing?

[paradisel0st]

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She
said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for
years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our
government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I
believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His
blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

That was honestly the most idiotic thing I've ever read in my life. I'm seriously not kidding. That part in particular stood out being more idiotic than the rest. How is that extremely profound or insightful in anyway?  Horrible, horrible joke.

[quadz]

i'm not sure how direct a quote this is:

I doubt its accuracy or veracity.

[QuakeDuke]

i'm not sure how direct a quote this is:

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS
Sunday Morning Commentary

Gator,

Part of it is, part of it isn't. For those who are interested you can find what he actually said here: http://benstein.com/121805xmas.html
For those who don't want to mess with following the link, here's the actually CBS News transcript of the program:

CHARLES OSGOOD, host: We all have our own thoughts about the holidays. Here's Ben Stein with his.

BEN STEIN: Here at this happy time of year, a few confessions from my beating heart. I have no freaking clue who Nick and Jessica are.

(Footage of People magazine; Us magazine)

STEIN: I see them on the cover of People and Us constantly when I'm buying my dog biscuits. I still don't know. I often ask the checkers at the grocery stores who they are. They don't know who Nick and Jessica are, either. Who are they? Will it change my life if I know who they are and why they've broken up? Why are they so darned important?

(Footage of People magazine)

STEIN: I don't know who Lindsay Lohan is either, and I don't care at all about Tom Cruise's baby.

(Vintage footage of congressional hearing)

STEIN: Am I going to be called before a Senate committee and asked if I'm a subversive? Maybe. But I just have no clue who Nick and Jessica are. Is this what it means to be no longer young? Hm, not so bad.

Next confession: I am a Jew and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish, and it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautifully lit-up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees.

(Footage of Christmas trees)

STEIN: I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are

[quadz]

I think both have good points. It would be nice if, instead of spreading FUD, those who created things like this attributed to Ben and Anne would actually post what was said, but then, that would mean we wouldn't have as much fun dis'n some(one)(thing) without checking it out would we?

Hi QD,

I appreciate the links to the original interviews.  But I reject the implication that there was anything inaccurate about my "dis", or that I would now have had less fun writing it.   

My disgust with the ********--er, folks--who perpetrate these religio-spam letters, is undiminished...  I still say it's the same "who's responsible for God punishing us" mindset that leads to the witch trials...


Regards,

quadz

[Whirlingdervish]

she turned me into a newt!
 

[QuakeDuke]

I think both have good points. It would be nice if, instead of spreading FUD, those who created things like this attributed to Ben and Anne would actually post what was said, but then, that would mean we wouldn't have as much fun dis'n some(one)(thing) without checking it out would we?

Hi QD,
I appreciate the links to the original interviews.  But I reject the implication that there was anything inaccurate about my "dis", or that I would now have had less fun writing it.   
My disgust with the ********--er, folks--who perpetrate these religio-spam letters, is undiminished...  I still say it's the same "who's responsible for God punishing us" mindset that leads to the witch trials...
Regards,
quadz

  No, No... I didn't mean to implicate anything about your "dis".  I was talking about people who put together that kind of stuff and post it as "the truth". I have to totally agree with you about the religio-spam crap. What I mean is (and those who write that kinda stuff falls into the same category I think) is most people just jump, condemn, and dis someone without even bothering to find out if they really said, did, etc whatever they're accusing people of.

Actually, (here goes) the witch trials had little to do with religion and a whole lot to do with politics - wait, isn't it that way a lot today? geeze. To think someone would us religion to further political gains or attempt to disguise political agendas with "religion"

I'm not popular with groups like AFA etc - I've written more than one email & letter to these groups telling them they would be better off spending their energies/money/etc actually following the teachings of Jesus instead of trying to "mobilize" the faithful to extort (yes - sorry - boycotts are nothing more than extortion) retailers, etc to force them to their point of view.

Oh well. I have to stand by what I've said before and  teach as I believe Jesus did - present the teaching and leave it up to the hearer to accept or reject it. To attempt to force people to accept teachings of any kind is about as sucessful as catching water in a sieve - you'll get a few drops but most just fall on through...

Sorry for any unclearness (is that a word?) on my part

QD

[QuakeDuke]

she turned me into a newt!
 

Does this mean you're running for president in '08?

QD

[Whirlingdervish]

If I do will you vote for me?
 

[QuakeDuke]

If I do will you vote for me?
 

Only if your last name isn't Gingrich

QD

[reaper]

Actually,