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[Arm0r]

Words to count on from captain rage quit himself.   Have a lovely senior year, kiddo.

[VaeVictis]

this whole last season of EDL was just lol

[adz1La]

 

[VaeVictis]

wow... 53 frag spread... thats the kinda scores you usually see against players like golgo

[adz1La]

golgo would beat armor

[Welkin]

One day poles will win all q2 leagues because all other players will stop playing...

Sounds very similar to the situation during the Golden Era, when Americans stopped playing and allowed Europeans to rise to the top. By the same logic, I guess we can write off Europeans as ever being skilled and deserving too then.

sry to inform you but wining purri in duel when he was clearly 35-45% of his top shape don't make you top player just lucky one

These numbers seem extremely sloppily produced. First off, what would equal 0% - somebody who just installed Q2 for the first time and in fact has no FPS experience at all? Or would you rather have it equal i.e. stigmata's level of skill? If the latter, I think we have no reason to take any of what you say seriously, as your judgement seems to lack substantially.

I would absolutely agree to Purri not being in top shape for this season, but in my humble opinion he was no less than 85-90% of it. That's the level you would still need (if not a lot more) to be able to defeat players like IsBjorn and Damiah (lets not forget that Damiah did well in this particular playoff game vs Purri).

And if this (see below) is the kind of replies Muerte resorts to, when debating issues of this sort, I wouldn't dream of condescend him with an answer.

If you want to speculate whether or not which player is better, I'm not really up for getting into that.

nhf but ur one who need to check 'bibliography' before start to speculate:
atm available demos on net
purri ~1400
Damiah ~ 280
Syanid ~ 55
provi ~ 40

I'm beginning to realise that this circus has been nothing but your own personal little vendetta/crusade against David.

You begin by finding an extremely small number of incidents during a tremendously bigger number of David's games, where his opponent happens to stroll by his crosshair somewhere on the other side of some wall for a fraction of a second, and/or you find a good prediction shot of any kind, and you create some Youtube video when having turned on your wallhack and replayed the demo in slow motion - a method that will make most situations look odd.

On top of this, you completely neglect the fact that you'd be able to find similar incidents in any medium or top skilled player's game - players who have any sense of instinct and timing.

And eventually, when this fails, you post trivial bullshit like this:

http://youtu.be/ouGIValAc1w
this is top level David reached? 1/11 rails against 4 rockets and 9 ssg shots purri's and one frag 

For a long time I have felt the uttermost respect for you, Muerte. You are possibly the only true Q2 professor around, and your opinion in most matters is of importance to me (it still is). When I've had my knowledge gaps in things concerning the game, you've been one of the people I've consulted.

You've made a habit out of insulting me on this forum, and you've betrayed my trust with the "welkleaks" business. In most cases when you've criticized my actions and decisions as head admin, you've either misinterpreted the situation or just failed to understand the rules (i.e. in your suggestions for the playoff system), all the while never delivering a single negative word about IsBjorn, a fellow admin who has supported and/or co-authored many of the same decisions. This clearly proves that you are a very biased observer.

Quite honestly, you have been hurtful. I've put a lot of time and effort into doing what I felt needed to be done for this scene, and I very much realise it would be impossible to have everyone agree with everything that I do... (Hell, isn't it better to at least do something, when most people do nothing?) But how could any sane person blame me for Hibru dropping out, simply because he got seeded into division 3 (where according to his past official record, he clearly belongs) - which you did? In fact, I even asked you for help during the seeding process, but you were not interested. Perhaps it's too difficult to build something, rather than try and tear it down?


On another note, the David investigation is still ongoing. I hope to be able to publish my results soon.

Contrary to what norman has said in this thread, it has not been a wish of mine, nor the official EDL crew position, to postpone publishing the results of this investigation. The fact that it has taken time and is still not done, is because everything Q2 can not be made a top priority in my life. It's an immense body of work for which I receive no compensation.

[Barton]

http://youtu.be/ouGIValAc1w

this is top level David reached? 1/11 rails against 4 rockets and 9 ssg shots purri's and one frag 

quality of games in EDL was never lower even i couldnt predict this level of dropout
i suggested EDL crew some kind of Wild Card (in attachment) to motivate players
and rise level of play
but now (after battle all r generals ye i know) it's clear after group stage div1 and div2 should have same playoff
and imho 4 half finalist from div3 wouldn't do bad in same playoff



i hope new 'top level ' 'champion' will use money wisely: to get help from Otolaryngologist to fix that 'fov hearing' 'problem' he have
he could 'hear' one step across map


http://youtu.be/26ACYt1ghZ4

and couldn't  'hear' purri jumping on his back ('fov hearing' is a bitch)


http://youtu.be/bHxqS9iZxgI

It's hard to reply to this after reading Welkin's reply. That was well written and detailed.

This reply of yours comes more off as fanboy stuff if you ask me. ; )

If you look hard enough you can find such fail to any player in their games. Same goes with the sound fail. This kind of scrutiny alone is too microscopic to be applied to be an argument, thus it seems not useful for your point.

[Barton]

Also MRT, I think you should get rid of these videos although I find them hilarious:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sp1OwJbiqo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB-yfXRunnc

I can see how it could be interpreted as trolling.

[Arm0r]

Well said Welk. 

[Muerte]

@ Welkin

1st sry i 'betray' your trust but i didn't know (after exchanging several mail with you) i become secret consigliere bonded with omerta

I glad you finally conformed all my suspicion about you, after all your suggestions about further cooperation.

I had ultimate respect for you as player in old days, and feel honored playing with you in same team in pickup games,
but now after few conversation with you about weapons/maps and what you wrote here about how to investigate
suspicious player i seriously doubt your understanding Quake 2 as game

You can't (or you can) put Admin badge on chest and arguing matter you  don't understand and 'speak' from position higher power

All evidence are in official demos on DS its not my fault you skipped several years in Quake2 and you lack of knowledge what and how hacked version of clients work and how to recognize what source code of previous hacked client was used as base to make latest modified client

Its not my job to make 15 min movie because: For smart is once enough. And this is 1337 Frag Demos section

how your precursor was serous last season u could read in his post and judging by your post yours going in same 'direction'

since i cant prove aliens exist (they wasn't crazy to land in Serbia)
i spent same amount of time as  Whirlingdervish to find David IP address on AC server
to find 'Jimmy Hoffa' aka hasiu mystical David archenemy
wasnt hard there is cheater section on DS http://q2scene.net/ds/index.php?op=dd2&id=1167701264
he playing vs dugg who got caught with same 'illegal style' (by Welkin) i used on David recording demos with wh client





on ClanBase in same team with RYDEL (kicked using wh in euroq2l) and michaq (today's David tm) (yeye Barton no guilty by association)

and mystical hasiu vanished only to reappear 2 years in row 2010 and 2011 'framing' David on AC server with David IP


http://pastebin.com/KyVgPTvB

Couldn't mind less about David in that time (only reason i asked IsBjorn to paste this is client 13 ip)

Even if is Game of Thrones over and Falling Skies weak sf i don't buying this hasiu fantasy story 

[Muerte]

I would absolutely agree to Purri not being in top shape for this season, but in my humble opinion he was no less than 85-90% of it. That's the level you would still need (if not a lot more) to be able to defeat players like IsBjorn and Damiah (lets not forget that Damiah did well in this particular playoff game vs Purri).

sovet[/b] regular q2scens shrink]
Assessing someone's skill simply by playing that person will only provide you a comparison to your own level of play (i.e. you are better or worse than that opponent). An objective evaluation of the opponent's skill level is unlikely due to the subjective assessment of your own potential which tends to be depending on factors such as present mood, self-esteem, and luck factor.

so i guess my experience when is purri in/out shape is irrelevant



hmm vs arch well known on tastyspleen servers



not convinced?

lets try with Pogo regular purri warmup guy (games was played last season before half final game vs Aone and final game vs David)



after dm3 i asked Pogo whats happen: he said its not me its him! so i tested Pogo statement (3rd shot)

with this kind of shape purri last season won EDL

this season before purri vs IsBjorn game i watched purri warmup with pogo (didn't play since euroq2l final) and later on GTV

[MVD] Muerte: how much purri play since last game?
[MVD] Muerte: 3 maps today?
[MVD] Muerte: thats it?
[MVD] >pogo: played with me today, thats it
[MVD] >pogo:
[MVD] >pogo: but more than 3 maps
[MVD] Muerte: did he know to spell quake2 today pogo
[MVD] >pogo: yeah he did

in game vs IsBjorn purri used q2dm3 (well known Isb weakest map)
on ptrip purri got lucky with defense rail hits
purri was lost on rdm2/q2dm1
on q2dm2 IsBjorn chose worst solution at start

IsBjorn sacrificed 2nd season in EDL 2 vacation in Thailand
after Thailand he suffered with shape because he didn't had enough strong opponent to challenge him
lucky before game vs purri nopek show up to give IsBjorn proper warmup rising IsBjorn shape level from 45% (vs David) to 65% in game vs purri

pity one stupid map stop IsBjorn this season

after checked purri shape vs pogo before final game this EDL i decided not to watch
tried today to watch purri's demos but i fell asleep on koldduel...

[Muerte]

Also MRT, I think you should get rid of these videos although I find them hilarious:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sp1OwJbiqo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB-yfXRunnc

I can see how it could be interpreted as trolling.

Nah Barton !

Considering Earth is old 5 billion years and before our Sun become red giant and reach Earth orbit is 'only' 5 billion years left
our time 'spent'  on Earth is joke, and we are in game section 1337 Frag Demos

[|iR|Focalor]

modesty is for people who have no actual accomplishments...

And that's why I never pants. A cock this impressive deserves to be seen.

...to stand on.

Mind your boots. It's a penis, not a doormat.

[VaeVictis]

http://youtu.be/ouGIValAc1w
this is top level David reached? 1/11 rails against 4 rockets and 9 ssg shots purri's and one frag 

oh wow...

fights like that seriously went on in a grand final??

i didnt even watch it cause i was just not interested at all... seems i saved myself some wasted time

[Welkin]

And if this (see below) is the kind of replies Muerte resorts to, when debating issues of this sort, I wouldn't dream of condescend him with an answer.

I know, I know...

1st sry i 'betray' your trust but i didn't know (after exchanging several mail with you) i become secret consigliere bonded with omerta

Here's a perfect example of what you do, you lash back at me trying to make a point by being funny, but you a) show that you clearly haven't understood any of what I wrote, b) fail to make a point of your own, and c) fail to be funny.

It's remarkable how much text you can muster up without responding to the vast majority of my comments - especially the comments with content of more significance.

I glad you finally conformed all my suspicion about you, after all your suggestions about further cooperation.

Let's see if I got this right. You suspected me of being a negative influence on the game/scene, and now you're glad that your suspicions were "proven" right? Sure makes it sound like all those people within the community who regard you as nothing but a troll might have been right.

Also, this comment really falls short on the lack of description of these "suspicions" that you mention.

I had ultimate respect for you as player in old days, and feel honored playing with you in same team in pickup games,

This is also rather puzzling. Back in the day I was a notorious douchebag - I was a whiner, a rage-quitter, and a stuck-up bitch in general. While I'm not perfect today, by any means, I do believe I'm only a fraction of what I was... But why would you respect a player like that? Because I was a top level competitor in those days? Again, judgement...

but now after few conversation with you about weapons/maps and what you wrote here about how to investigate suspicious player i seriously doubt your understanding Quake 2 as game

Yes, we have different opinions on maps (and weapons? okay), and for that reason you question my understanding for Q2 as a game? That says very little about me, while it says everything about you. You are apparently very narrow-minded with no understanding for opinions other than your own.

Also, I wrote nothing about how to investigate any suspect/player.

You can't (or you can) put Admin badge on chest and arguing matter you  don't understand and 'speak' from position higher power

True. If I didn't understand the game, I shouldn't head admin the main duel competition around. (If that's what that drivel meant?) Luckily I do.

All evidence are in official demos on DS its not my fault you skipped several years in Quake2 and you lack of knowledge what and how hacked version of clients work and how to recognize what source code of previous hacked client was used as base to make latest modified client

Wow. Let's see what you're trying to say here.

"All evidence are in official demos". Incorrect. Demos can only support speculations, and may never be considered true and real evidence on their own.

"It's not my fault you skipped several years in Quake2" Correct. It's not. Neither is it a fully valid argument as to why I would not be good at what I do today (and nor is it the opposite).

"You lack of knowledge what and how hacked version of clients work and how to recognize what source code of previous hacked client was used as base to make latest modified client" Correct. I don't know the technicalities of these things, but I'm clever enough to consult those who actually do. Based on the information I receive, I make my decisions (as mentioned, most of the time with help from fellow admins). So I'm not really stumbling around in the dark, am I?

These points you try to bundle together have in fact extraordinarily little to do with eachother.

Its not my job to make 15 min movie because: For smart is once enough.

Yes, you've clearly proven how "smart" you are and what a "great" understanding you have of the game, by the comments you've made in this thread along with the Youtube clips you've published.

And this is 1337 Frag Demos section

Then why does only one of the three videos in the original post, contain a frag?

how your precursor was serous last season u could read in his post and judging by your post yours going in same 'direction'

Like I said, the investigation is ongoing, and I don't wish to publish any of the material before it's complete... But the impression that you can get from my previous post, is that I'm not going in your "direction". Few people are anymore.

since i cant prove aliens exist (they wasn't crazy to land in Serbia)

Ok.

i spent same amount of time as  Whirlingdervish to find David IP address on AC server
to find 'Jimmy Hoffa' aka hasiu mystical David archenemy

You spent the same amount of time, yes, and not a minute more to actually dig into whether or not Hasiu is another individual. I am not the least surprised that WhirlingDervish doesn't know about the player Hasiu - why should he? I don't know every American player from the last 10 years... But you? You have no excuse.

You try to be this journalist character who expose the Watergate equivalences of the Q2 sphere, but you lack all the journalist's qualities. You just throw around accusations without spending a second even questioning them.

wasnt hard there is cheater section on DS http://q2scene.net/ds/index.php?op=dd2&id=1167701264
he playing vs dugg who got caught with same 'illegal style' (by Welkin) i used on David recording demos with wh client

So you're saying that 1) David and Hasiu is the same person, without presenting any evidence, and 2) that Hasiu is playing with the same alleged cheat as the POV player in the demo, eventhough they're neither on the same team nor seem to have any connection to eachother, also without presenting any evidence. Hehe, excuse me for asking, but what are you basing any of these accusations on?

on ClanBase in same team with RYDEL (kicked using wh in euroq2l) and michaq (today's David tm) (yeye Barton no guilty by association)

Rydel was deemed a cheater by the EQ2L crew, and michaq was in the same clan at one point. In your mind this automatically makes michaq a cheater... And like that was not enough, you also insinuate that in turn this automatically makes David a cheater... Because Rydel was one. Sometime you should listen to yourself speak.

and mystical hasiu vanished only to reappear 2 years in row 2010 and 2011 'framing' David on AC server with David IP

1) Hasiu is only as "mystical" as you've chosen to make him. Don't forget that.

2) Hasiu is not an active player, but that doesn't mean that he never plays.

3) Hasiu only "framed" (this is not my choice of words, as I don't buy Muerte's version) David once, not twice.

4) David's IP and Hasiu's differ.

http://pastebin.com/KyVgPTvB
Couldn't mind less about David in that time (only reason i asked IsBjorn to paste this is client 13 ip)

You still can't care less for David, or any of the Anathema players for that matter.

And how does any of this relate to neowolf or his IP?

Even if is Game of Thrones over and Falling Skies weak sf i don't buying this hasiu fantasy story

Because you thick-headedly choose not to.

[Endless of screenshots and mumbo jumbo in the 2nd post...]

All this proves is that you're great at collecting data of different sorts, but bad at interpreting it. I'm not saying that you're off on every point you're trying to make here... But as this most probably was a response to my comment on how sloppy your math is, it only seems like you've completely misunderstood things again. I.e. a two month vacation can never decrease your skill level by more than half, and neither can one warmup game increase it by 20%.

You question whether or not I myself understand this game, and I see very little reason to try and convince you otherwise. My impression of you is that you seem to know alot less than I've thought in the past, and maybe that can be attributed to the fact that you're not a player, only an observer. An observer will never get the grasp of the gameplay in the same way as a player - he will never fully understand i.e. some mental aspects - but on the other hand, an observer may get a better sense for certain other things. While the likes of Purri and Damiah know more about the gameplay than I do, since they've been at it actively for over a decade, you can't neglect the fact that I have a considerable competitive history (example 1, 2) - all the while you don't. I just know more than you about how top level Q2 DM duels are played, and I'm sorry if that sounds like the sum-up of a dick measuring contest.


I do not wish to continue this debate. The way Muerte approaches it, it's all pain, no gain for me.