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Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: April 02, 2020, 03:40:15 PM »
Only one short paragraph in the article attempts to provide examples of said misinformation

That sounds more like a ding against the article for not supporting the claim, not that the claim itself doesn't have other forms of supporting evidence elsewhere.

Quote from: FDA
It is reasonable to believe that chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate may be effective in treating COVID-19.

That doesn't sound like a particularly strong endorsement to me. Sounds like typical Trump speak, honestly ("this could be a game changer, and it might not be"). Makes me wonder if the White House put pressure on the FDA behind the scenes to pass that. The EU hasn't made the same decision and is waiting for clinical trials. Yes, it's a form of, but where did the guy get the idea? I concede you can't blame his (or his wife's) stupidity on Trump, but if Trump wasn't touting it (wasn't it Trump that brought it up, not Fauci, Birx, etc.?), that wouldn't have happened - people trust Trump, even though he doesn't know what he's saying much of the time. If, in the end, it turns out that this medication is effective, what are the odds Trump doesn't gloat incessantly about how he was right all along? Contrast that with him refusing to take any responsibility for the other failings seen so far. "Trump always takes credit, but never responsibility."

Trump is and has been spreading misinformation at his news conferences, and it's hard to argue against the notion that it's taken a toll, though I don't think there'd be a way to ever measure the extent.

Instead, Pakman describes Trump's remarks as, "another one of those horrible examples that shows Donald Trump's utter lack of concern for the human toll."

Trump's first tweet (afaik) about this said that the media was going "crazy" because of his high ratings. Why did he bring that up? Is he saying that the media hates, i.e., is jealous, that his ratings are so high? That's what it sounds like to me. Is that entirely inconsistent with Pakman's comment? Trump thinks other people think like him, that they're bothered because Trump is getting all this attention, and not that it's simply because a lot of people take Trump's words over experts/doctors. When he, and all his cronies (Fox News, etc.), had been downplaying this issue, contrary to the messaging of practically (if not literally) all experts, for 2 months or more, there's a legitimate reason to be concerned about what information people are receiving with something as serious as this.

And look at that silly video in that tweet you shared, complete with the patriotic imagery, inspirational/emotional music score behind it - give me a break. I think he's just clueless how to empathize with other people, so the closest and best way he can fake it is by downplaying a serious issue, thereby giving people "false hope".

Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: April 01, 2020, 07:01:54 PM »
A breakdown of when Trump just recently seemed boastful about the "ratings" of his recent press conferences:

Politics / Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« on: March 31, 2020, 06:20:17 PM »
Not sure if this belongs here or the politics thread.

Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: March 29, 2020, 04:42:42 PM »
Remember how just before Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump began their campaigns, the Clintons invited Trump over for some sort of off-the-record "meeting"?

Nope. First time I've heard of that.

Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: March 28, 2020, 02:38:48 AM »
Yeah but... what kind of an ASSHOLE wouldn't be grateful for aid at the moment? :D

Best way to get back at the governors who don't kiss your ass? Make the people of their states suffer!

Jokes / Re: Funny videos
« on: March 28, 2020, 12:18:35 AM »
Requires sound (~40 seconds):

Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: March 27, 2020, 11:42:44 PM »
"Trump says he's directed Pence not to call governors who aren't 'grateful' for federal aid"

Politics / Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« on: March 27, 2020, 10:10:55 PM »
If his phone battery was dead, how did he know four units called him.

My guess would be that they informed him of that when they got there.

Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: March 27, 2020, 12:43:29 PM »
"The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved by Evangelicals"

I have a feeling you guys probably don't read the links I share, but if you want to read something on the NY Times website, if you're quick, you can hit the Esc key a few times as the page is trying to load to prevent the cockblock thing that prevents you from reading the article without signing in. There's probably an easier way to do this, but this is what I've been doing and it works alright.

Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: March 26, 2020, 03:51:03 PM »
Better stock up

Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: March 26, 2020, 10:01:49 AM »
He keeps blabbing on like the fucking pitch-man that he always is, and this is NOT the fucking time to be pitching people how great things are GOING to be.

Are you sure you're talking about the right Sam Harris? Sounds a little like Steven Pinker, but could be someone else too.

This is Sam Harris:*vSSMGRYuB2n1Unw6sg53bg.jpeg

Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: March 26, 2020, 04:41:10 AM »
"If Your Doctor Spoke Like Trump" by Sam Harris (apparently)

So it seems you’ve tested positive for the Chinese virus, the so-called Covid NINETEEN, the Corona—nobody knows what to call it, quite frankly. It’s the most amazing thing, no one knew anything about Corona until a few weeks ago.

But the moment I heard about it—the Wuhan flu; it’s also the Wuhan, or WuHAAN—that’s a city in China. Many people don’t know that. But the moment I heard about this Chinese flu, I ordered a test. And it’s an amazing test. We do better testing than anywhere in the world. Some say the Germans have the best tests, but they don’t. Our tests are even better.

So you’re positive for Corona. And usually “positive” is a positive word—it’s a very good word, frankly. Everybody thinks it’s good, apart from what you hear on the news—which is fake. It’s largely fake. But in medicine, “positive” is not so good. So it’s very confusing. And I’ve always been very clear about that. Some say “positive” is always good, but I’ve never agreed with that.

So you’re positive for the Corona. But you’ll be fine. Totally fine. You might think you’re going to die—and everybody does die, eventually. But you’ll be fine. You feel fine, right? You won’t need a ventilator. There are no ventilators—but you won’t need one.

How old are you, 55? You won’t need one. Some people need a ventilator, and they’re amazing machines. Did you know the first ventilator was made by Henry Ford? It’s an incredible piece of equipment. But you’ll be fine.

The virus gets into your lungs, which is where you breathe. But you have two of them. Some say you have a spare. Some people only have one lung. It’s true. But I don’t talk about spares. I always want both. Given a choice, I want two lungs.

So I’ve asked nurse—what’s your name, Nancy?—I’ve asked nurse Nancy to keep you comfortable. And Nancy is one of our finest nurses. I mean, just look at her. Incredible, right? Nancy, you’re really incredible. You’re not afraid of Corona, are you, the Chinese Plague? I didn’t think so. Nancy will bring you whatever you need. And if you start coughing, do that into your elbow, so you don’t make a mess. Okay, you’re doing great. I’ll see you later.

Politics / Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« on: March 26, 2020, 04:29:57 AM »
moving this to politics

Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: March 25, 2020, 10:56:28 PM »
It would be good to see the wealth numbers of the Clinton's & Obama's before & after their Presidential terms.

It would be good to see Trump's wealth numbers before his Presidential term.

Politics / Re: Current Politics & History Only Thread
« on: March 25, 2020, 10:27:38 AM »
You really believe that? It took so long so they could make sure the evil orange man didn't get any of the money?

Do you think any of them said "this is a tremendous opportunity to restructure things to fit our vision" so let's use this crisis to our advantage, obstruct, and sneak in our various items we wish we could pass?

I think it was a bad time to try to implement components of the Green New Deal, if that's what some of those reported additions by Pelosi, or whichever Democrat it was, were. Yes, I absolutely believe that that had something to do with part of the delay, that they wanted to ensure that "the business fund would be distributed fairly and that Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin would not use it to help Trump and his allies." Trump is a crook, and is using his presidency to enrich himself, his friends, and his family. He didn't become president out of the goodness of his heart. I don't honestly understand why you wouldn't believe such a thing.

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