why would you say assumptions are aside, then make nothing BUT assumptions?
by definition we can either have simple beginnings or complex beginnings. if you start with a belief in god, it's almost impossible to change your mind. if you simply look at the two possibilities (simple vs complex beginnings), and leave all assumptions aside, one seems far more probable.
the universe continues expanding
by you 'assuming' that the universe is improbable to be capable of forming life you're immediately assuming that it was a completely random process. like darwinism, we see that things that may appear 'guided' may not be. maybe based on the events leading up to the singularity, it was very likely that the universe would be created the way it is. we simply don't know much about this, so humans have a tendency of bringing in god to solve tough problems we have yet to understand.
i also find it humorous that you have completely misunderstood hawking's idea that information cannot be lost. this theory pertains to physical information.
you have completely misunderstood hawking's idea that information cannot be lost.
the fact that a newseek poll reveals only 37% of america would vote for a perfectly qualified atheist presidential candidate tells me that yes, it's bad to lack belief.
Quote from: dahangthe fact that a newseek poll reveals only 37% of america would vote for a perfectly qualified atheist presidential candidate tells me that yes, it's bad to lack belief.i probably wouldn't vote for an atheist president, i don't think atheism is a philosophy people should be following.i try never to deal in absolutes. if things were to change, and we were to come up with reasonable answers i would change my belief (god is probable). it will be interesting if we exist within a multi-verse. if a big bang happens repeatedly over time, at some point the universe would die of heat death (a guess), and exist in this state forever . that's what i read on wikipedia anyways it would seem to be wishful thinking, that a simpler explanation (other than god), exists. watching those videos it seemed like most atheists might be wishful thinkers as well, i thought that was interesting.
most atheists running for president (none do since they're unelectable) would immediately argue that they want to go straight to the good aspects of religion. there is no need for all the supernatural fairytails, they are interested only in the good messages religion conveys. what's so wrong with that?
i don't know why you continuously argue the weakness of being an atheist while believing in one big bang. i suspect there is more to everything than just one big bang, and one finite universe does not make sense even from the theistic perspective. like quadz pointed out, what would god do at the end of it? "twiddle his thumbs"? what was god doing for an ETERNITY before this one universe? did this all-knowing being spontaneously just come up with this really cool idea of creating a universe?
Quote from: dahangmost atheists running for president (none do since they're unelectable) would immediately argue that they want to go straight to the good aspects of religion. there is no need for all the supernatural fairytails, they are interested only in the good messages religion conveys. what's so wrong with that?i don't think atheism is a philosophy people should be following; ideally i would like people to follow someone who believes in god
Quote from: dahangi don't know why you continuously argue the weakness of being an atheist while believing in one big bang. i suspect there is more to everything than just one big bang, and one finite universe does not make sense even from the theistic perspective. like quadz pointed out, what would god do at the end of it? "twiddle his thumbs"? what was god doing for an ETERNITY before this one universe? did this all-knowing being spontaneously just come up with this really cool idea of creating a universe?i believe in the big bang, because the massive amount of evidence supporting it. why does a finite universe not make sense? if it turns out the universe formed the way it does arbitrarily , or it's formation was improbable , this should still make sense - at least if you are basing sense on science. what god would do is incomprehensible. however we should feel free to speculate.i'm curious, you seem to "hope" for a better explanation other than chance. so there would have to more than one event, regarding the formation of the universe. so there would be prior big bangs, or we would be part of a multi-verse. it seems to me, if the universe we observe is the only one, and there were prior big bangs, at one point the universe would stay at a point for an infinite amount of time. you don't seem to be happy with this, so we must be in a multi-verse. there is no "evidence" for this, but it would seem to help you believe we have the basis of a simple explanation to things.
Quote from: dahangit's wishful thinking to think of a complex explanation, rather than a simple explanation at the very beginning. by invoking god you've explained absolutely nothing, because you're now left with the question of how did god come about, or what reason does he have to exist? god is probably the most improbable entity one could ever conceive (the being itself), and i find it humorous that you think the probability of a universe forming the way it did is somehow directly proportional to the probability of god. if that sort of thing convinces you, you're welcome to it.my belief in god, isn't attempting to explain anything related to the above questioning. i don't think the universe forming the way it did is proportional to the probability of god. however if there was a god, he would be the reason the universe was formed. under the pretenses i've been speaking under, god wouldn't be unnecessary. what one person considers a logical point of view, another considers irrational
it's wishful thinking to think of a complex explanation, rather than a simple explanation at the very beginning. by invoking god you've explained absolutely nothing, because you're now left with the question of how did god come about, or what reason does he have to exist? god is probably the most improbable entity one could ever conceive (the being itself), and i find it humorous that you think the probability of a universe forming the way it did is somehow directly proportional to the probability of god. if that sort of thing convinces you, you're welcome to it.
Quote from: dahangif those videos convinced you that atheists are wishful thinkers, you must not have paid close attention.just what i thought of a few people in those videos, i don't think most atheists are wishful thinkers.
if those videos convinced you that atheists are wishful thinkers, you must not have paid close attention.
for those who are interestedhttp://www.mininova.org/tor/220269http://www.mininova.org/tor/564307the first is an audio book on relativity from einstein himself, the second is an e-book "a brief history of time" from stephen hawking which contains a chapter on time. of course, you would have to have copies of these already, and download for backup purposes only (not sure if this is legal either)you wouldn't think time would be so complicated, it would be nice to understand these things more, but i think those two links above are great for the average person.dahang, i think these are the videos you were looking for. you might be able to just pick the ones you are lacking:http://www.mininova.org/tor/414840
Arguing so strongly for athiesm is like building a house and labeling it 'the strongest house in the world' when the foundation is made up of shwag stems.
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