Well you can't have good with out bad, other wize you wouldn't know what good is.If we lived in a perfect world, why live at all. There would be no point in going to heaven if everything here is already perfect.I can't figure out why that's so hard to understand.Yes God allows things to progress on it's own, but will intervine when asked if it's his will.We don't always know his plan. Our suffering at times can sometimes be to greater benifit us, to teach us something, or mabey to benifit someone else.
i just stated that he is NOT actively involved. my sole belief is that there was an outside entity facilitating the creation of the universe and what may lie beyond.. but you can have fun misinterpreting my posts in the meantime, i dont mind. lol and also, diseases and natural disasters are not evil. you guys are seriously lost.
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on February 06, 2007, 07:26:27 PMWell you can't have good with out bad, other wize you wouldn't know what good is.If we lived in a perfect world, why live at all. There would be no point in going to heaven if everything here is already perfect.I can't figure out why that's so hard to understand.Yes God allows things to progress on it's own, but will intervine when asked if it's his will.We don't always know his plan. Our suffering at times can sometimes be to greater benifit us, to teach us something, or mabey to benifit someone else.I'm not talking about hardships like dropping your lollypop on the floor. Events outside the free will of humans like a tsunami that kills 150,000+ humans is a little excessive in my eye. Killing someone's entire family and destroying everything they have to "toughen them up" is where I draw the line. We can know what's good and bad within the domain of human free will (plenty of evil to 'round, no?) without having to invent the virus/disease/hurricane/etc. If i were to kill one of your loved ones to toughen you up, you would think I was one of the sickest humans on earth. Meanwhile, if we just say god did it (or allowed it) then it can't be bad, right?
i would think that someone is lost if they believe diseases or tsunami's are true evil, which is what i stated before.
Quote from: DaHanG on February 06, 2007, 08:29:19 PMQuote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on February 06, 2007, 07:26:27 PMWell you can't have good with out bad, other wize you wouldn't know what good is.If we lived in a perfect world, why live at all. There would be no point in going to heaven if everything here is already perfect.I can't figure out why that's so hard to understand.Yes God allows things to progress on it's own, but will intervine when asked if it's his will.We don't always know his plan. Our suffering at times can sometimes be to greater benifit us, to teach us something, or mabey to benifit someone else.I'm not talking about hardships like dropping your lollypop on the floor. Events outside the free will of humans like a tsunami that kills 150,000+ humans is a little excessive in my eye. Killing someone's entire family and destroying everything they have to "toughen them up" is where I draw the line. We can know what's good and bad within the domain of human free will (plenty of evil to 'round, no?) without having to invent the virus/disease/hurricane/etc. If i were to kill one of your loved ones to toughen you up, you would think I was one of the sickest humans on earth. Meanwhile, if we just say god did it (or allowed it) then it can't be bad, right?Completely out of context
But just for the sake of argument, concerning the latest tsunami, the entire WORLD rose up, took notice, formed a world wide relief effort, AND learned more from that one on what to do and how to better warn and protect there coast. Even something this tragic spawned something else even more beneficial to ALL of mankind.
If no one got killed in a volcano, how would you know to NOT live under one???
If one just looks for it, they can see the positive derived from any negative.Take WWII for instance. Look how tragic it was, how many innocent people died and suffered in that. But would we be living in the world we live in today if it hadn't happened?
So then every tragedy's positive effects outweigh their negatives? Why can't we use this effort of helping others without requiring 150,000+ people to die first?
if i were to create a world, i'd have to create one like this, because i wouldn't be able to think of a better world. that's my take on things anyway, and i understand evil plenty, i live life just like everyone else.
Quote from: dahangSo then every tragedy's positive effects outweigh their negatives? Why can't we use this effort of helping others without requiring 150,000+ people to die first?so god is supposed to intervene, and we are supposed to know he's interviening. maybe oceans governing themselves are part of a perfect world.
...no? Once again, the invention of tsunamis by god should have been avoided in the first place.
Quote from: dahang...no? Once again, the invention of tsunamis by god should have been avoided in the first place.what would human kind be without suffering - they would be weak. so to create the perfect image of mankind, humans need challenges, it's all of mankind your dealing with, not one person's life. the ideal solution for perfection isn't all cherries, it's a balancing act. humans need to be able to make their own choices, and things aren't supposed to always go there way
what would human kind be without suffering - they would be weak. so to create the perfect image of mankind, humans need challenges, it's all of mankind your dealing with, not one person's life.
As i proposed, doesn't human free will cover enough ground for potential suffering?
Why? If God already is capable of conceiving of this "perfect image of mankind", then surely God could have just designed our DNA so that we came out perfect in the first place.No?