Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 11, 2008, 01:19:09 AMBesides, anyone that actually fights to have one removed does that only for the purpose of "just doing it".They aren't doing to be constitutonal correct, they're not doing it because it offends them oh so much.They're doing it be assholes. <<<<< PeriodPersonally, I find breaches of the wall of separation between church and state offensive to varying degrees, so I'm not sure you're entirely correct in your assessment.If you're correct, then you should also agree with the following:Besides, anyone that actually fights to have gay marriage banned does that only for the purpose of "just doing it".They aren't doing it to be morally correct, they're not doing it because it offends them oh so much.They're doing it be assholes. <<<<< PeriodRight?
Besides, anyone that actually fights to have one removed does that only for the purpose of "just doing it".They aren't doing to be constitutonal correct, they're not doing it because it offends them oh so much.They're doing it be assholes. <<<<< Period
Haunted there are bad sides to everything, Christianity is no different, what so ever. But the sad thing is, is when people have been exposed to ONLY the bad side and have never experienced the good side of it, which btw, outways the bad 100 to 1.In fact i am of good mind to start a entirally new thread that would address these very issues.
Whether churches which receive government subsidy in the form of tax exemption are truly private, I'll leave for another discussion...
Could someone point to a reference (or provide me) with a complete statement of the constitution where it states there is to be separation of church and state?Thanks,QD
Could someone point to a reference (or provide me) with a complete statement of the constitution where it states there is to be separation of church and state?
I'm guessing that might be a leading question?
But... we have the 1st amendment, and we have Thomas Jefferson's interpretation of same:Amendment 1: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."Jefferson: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state."
Quote from: quadz on November 11, 2008, 01:42:38 AMQuote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 11, 2008, 01:19:09 AMBesides, anyone that actually fights to have one removed does that only for the purpose of "just doing it".They aren't doing to be constitutonal correct, they're not doing it because it offends them oh so much.They're doing it be assholes. <<<<< PeriodPersonally, I find breaches of the wall of separation between church and state offensive to varying degrees, so I'm not sure you're entirely correct in your assessment.If you're correct, then you should also agree with the following:Besides, anyone that actually fights to have gay marriage banned does that only for the purpose of "just doing it".They aren't doing it to be morally correct, they're not doing it because it offends them oh so much.They're doing it be assholes. <<<<< PeriodRight?One of the most "Owned" replies I've ever seen.
Quote from: QuakeDuke on November 11, 2008, 05:33:48 AMCould someone point to a reference (or provide me) with a complete statement of the constitution where it states there is to be separation of church and state?Thanks,QDCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 10, 2008, 10:04:34 PMHaunted there are bad sides to everything, Christianity is no different, what so ever. But the sad thing is, is when people have been exposed to ONLY the bad side and have never experienced the good side of it, which btw, outways the bad 100 to 1.In fact i am of good mind to start a entirally new thread that would address these very issues.Interested I am.QD
Quote from: quadz on November 07, 2008, 04:46:26 PMQuote from: Thomas JeffersonBelieving with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.Now that, is one of the reasons I'm proud of this country.Regards,quadzYea, but, we ARE prohibited from practicing it in public now days to an extent, because it might Oooooffeeend some one .And taking up a nativity scene from the towns courthouse square because of separation of Church and State???? I'm pretty darn sure that’s not going to allow the local church to influence the judges next decision, and I’m pretty sure that wasn't the intent of that amendment. But the nativity scene gets taken away anyway because it offended someone somewhere.But, getting back to the original topic, that in itself is what ticks me about the way people act in America.Instead of using the constitution for its intended purpose, to make sure we HAVE freedom of religion, it gets perverted by some to insure we have to actually HIDE our freedom of religion. :/Let these people live where they are FORCED to practice the religion of that country or be shot in the head and then maybe, just maybe they won't be so offended.
Quote from: Thomas JeffersonBelieving with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.Now that, is one of the reasons I'm proud of this country.Regards,quadz
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.
Quote from: DaHanG on November 11, 2008, 03:01:40 AMQuote from: quadz on November 11, 2008, 01:42:38 AMQuote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 11, 2008, 01:19:09 AMBesides, anyone that actually fights to have one removed does that only for the purpose of "just doing it".They aren't doing to be constitutonal correct, they're not doing it because it offends them oh so much.They're doing it be assholes. <<<<< PeriodPersonally, I find breaches of the wall of separation between church and state offensive to varying degrees, so I'm not sure you're entirely correct in your assessment.If you're correct, then you should also agree with the following:Besides, anyone that actually fights to have gay marriage banned does that only for the purpose of "just doing it".They aren't doing it to be morally correct, they're not doing it because it offends them oh so much.They're doing it be assholes. <<<<< PeriodRight?One of the most "Owned" replies I've ever seen.Actually it's not. That was (I believe to be) a light hearted jab at another totally seperate conversation we had a few days back in IRC.Thanks.
Interested I am.QD
What, the new thread part ?
So, we aren't really concerned with what it actually says, but in how it's interpreted - what WE think they meant to say ?
This is the freedom of Religion part if i'm not mistaken, what about a link to the actual amendment that describes seperation of church and state?