Ye Religion Thread

[quadz]

I'm saying mutations can lead to changes, whether they're done in a controlled way or not, and the development of antibiotic reisistance would be an example.

[Robot]

WD, just because it hasn't been proven yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Also, I was reading the antibiotic resistance page where it suggests it may go that way:

"Overuse of broad-spectrum antibiotics, such as second- and third-generation cephalosporins, greatly hastens the development of methicillin resistance." (Though I don't see a reference)

I would assume intelligent in this sense just means doing whatever is best for the organism to adapt to changing environments or some other programmed plan, whatever that is.  In a way, you could look at it that every type of organism has some roles, like plants play roles that help keep other organisms like us (giving O2, glucose, etc) alive, so maybe their evolutionary process is geared towards doing what it should do for itself and for the other things it supports.

And for multi-cellular organisms, you have tons of messenger systems, like paracine and endocrine messengers.  A lot of investigation still needs to be done to understand exactly what's going on.

[quadz]

just because it hasn't been proven yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

On the other hand - if, despite some gaps in our knowledge, we are able to observe and identify processes in nature which appear to be capable of producing the biodiversity we see around us, then should we add something supernatural into the equation if there doesn't appear to be a need for it?

I would assume intelligent in this sense just means doing whatever is best for the organism to adapt to changing environments or some other programmed plan, whatever that is.

[Robot]

I have never said evolution requires supernatural assistance.  Intelligent design is kind of a broad term.  Of course, it doesn't help that the sources for the word point to different definitions, like wikipedia vs dictionary.com vs merriam-webster.  I consider an intelligent process directing mutations to be a form of intelligent design.

I don't find the first link all that amusing, especially with someone who writes "While computers have a superiority in certain idiot savant types of thinking..."

He sounds like you quadz, making very vague statements.  It's mostly a guess game with him too.

What you brought up replying to my example of plants and animals helping each other out doesn't seem to have to do with symbiosis, since it's not really a close (in proximity) relationship.  Then it seems you're talking about something more broad, should I be guessing you're talking about parasitism or mutualism or commensalism???

[Robot]

I could see a video coming out based on the "Ye Religion Thread" (more like "Ye Bashing Thread" in reality).  I could just imagine the trailer:

reaper: "I feel believing in intelligent design is natural."
DaHanG: "Shut up, you are stupid!"
jagermonsta: "ROFL"
Robot: "quadz, shouldn't you be following the dictionary/encyclopedia definition of evolution?"
quadz: "No you 19th century dictionary opener!!!!!"
jagermonsta: "LOLZ, get some sun kiddo!"
quadz: "DaHanG, I will tell you the mysteries of random selection one day!"
DaHanG: "Yes, master."

[reaper]

robot, I understand your frustration, but look at yourself.  you have been calling quadz "the master of confusion", and telling him he is wrong.  when you tell him he is wrong, you don't do as good of a job of expanding your arguments, and communicating as quads.  just look at how quadz will post quotes to keep track of the conversation, italcise text, reference links.  I mean come on, I have never seen someone communicate as effectively on a forum as quadz. 

I do not always agree with what he has to say, but he's entitled to his opinion.

personally, I don't understand the evidence in detail for life forming from practically nothing, or protein mutation, but I recognize how the evidence is mounting up.  it seems the scientific communitiy think it's likely like could form from our universe, and evolve.  I want more evidence, more results, so I can understand the complexities, and judge better for myself.  but for now I will agree with the scientific community regarding life likelyness of forming from within this universe.

i try not to address Dahang brining up the point that scientists believe there is no god, and they are smarter, blah blah.  really there is no accurate measurement to determine how much one believes in the possibility of a god, and even if it did, it doesn't mean much to me.  this is like me saying if the entire world were turned atheist now, evil would prevail.   it may be true, but it also might not be saying much.  anyways, my point is, it can be frustrating to think differently than someone, and not be able to form an argument, or understanding, but you still feel justified in your belief.  but people are entitled to their opinions as much as you, and I can't think of someone who has been more sensitivity, and effective at communicating as quadz.

you to me are the master of confusion!
quadz, there is your second opinion.

 

[Robot]

reaper, the fact he uses the quote system doesn't make it any more clear.  He writes in a very vague way, and I've detailed how that is.  I need not say anymore about it.

[quadz]

He writes in a very vague way, and I've detailed how that is.

 

[DaHanG]

i try not to address Dahang brining up the point that scientists believe there is no god, and they are smarter, blah blah.

You would use science's lack of understanding as a strength in the God hypothesis. My point was that if science somehow suggests there's a creator, why is it that the overwhelming majority of the best scientists disagree?

[jägermonsta]

why are you referring to me as kid and son?  And get some english classes.

English*

If you haven't realized it by now, you're really not that smart. Stop pretending to be. 

[Robot]

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[splisskin]

An interesting blog on the overwhelming science behind evolution

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/denis036/thisweekinevolution/intelligent_design

ps  I'm giving quadz major props for his well organized and coherent thoughts! bow down to the master indeed robot   

[splisskin]

 

[Robot]

Yeah, it's pretty obvious you don't read much of this thread, because I never argued evolution doesn't happen.  Definitely another biased follower.

And have fun with your explanation of "random selection".

[jägermonsta]

Since you act like such a douche bag

ggz