Ye Religion Thread

[jägermonsta]

Quote in use. 

Glad I could help. 

[splisskin]

Persecution complex perhaps?   

[ReCycled]

OK..this thread has gone on far enough. Let's all of you come near the campfire, link hands and sing Koom-by-yah.

[Daemia]

OK so I have only posted in this thread once before saying "I'm not touching this thread with a 10 ft. pole"   BUT.... I have a video I want to post because I can't stand people who use religion to judge people and that's exactly what this bitch is doing! 


http://www.break.com/index/hannityloon.html
MORE
http://www.break.com/index/crazyfox20.html


if God exists God does not have WRATH,  God has forgiveness. 

[Daemia]

and the catholics lol.  a lot of religions use 'the fear of god' to get people to behave a certain way.  sad but true.

im undecided on my religious beliefs but i know that if i were to worship a god it would be a kind god.

the whole "God will punish you" thing makes me not want to be religious

[quadz]

Let's suppose there really is a god. Not some wimp deity who can't even create his own time and logic. No, let's suppose the Big Omega is the guy in question, someone so vast and powerful that all your conceptions of god, no matter how elaborate or degenerate, all fit inside with plenty of room to spare. We're talking a god who can happily create walls so high he can't jump over them, who can solve the General Halting Problem, who is benevolent, irrelevant, and malignant at the same time, who exceeds any origin or ending, who is contained by no distinction, who is bigger than any god any religion ever invented or can ever invent. The kind of god that's bigger than this page can distinguish. The god so big he doesn't care whether or not you capitalize his name. The god who owns all names, all behaviors, all attributes, all physics, all specifications, and all infinities. A god who forgives and damns you no matter what you do, who is 100%, completely, utterly, and without bound, unpredictable, an impartial god of random chance and an intimate god of unfailing love at the same time. The mystery god who resembles, cherishes, and ignores you neither more nor less than he resembles, cherishes, and ignores lichen, water, cattle, neutrinos, stars, pistachio jelly beans, the story of the Lusitania, and one particular cherry-red 1968 Plymouth Barracuda.

The trouble with most theists is they can't stand the idea of a really big god like this. They want a god that acts like their parents did. Someone who buys you ice cream if you're good and sends you to the eternal lake of fire if you're bad. The idea of a god of howling chaos, crystalline order, and all myriad flowing variations in between just scares them stupid, or else their imaginations are too impoverished to conceptualize someone that large.

Give me a religion with a god like this and I might come have tea with you to chat about it. But take your poor excuse with his hands banged onto a tree, or that other poor excuse sitting under the tree clawing his way into his own navel, or that whole tribe of poor excuses playing celestial parlor games with humans for dice, or that poor excuse who doesn't even trouble himself to exist, and leave them at home. All human religions are just pretty children's stories next to Big Omega.

[quadz]

the fear of god

I don't mean to make fun of you, but you really have no idea what you're talking about.

Whoa, Nelly!

Now on the one hand, as the saying goes, "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh."  (Or woman's as the case may be.)

But on the other hand, what makes Daemia's concept of God any less valid than someone else's?

For example God has every emotion you have because you were made in his image. How can you therefore blame him for having an emotion that you yourself have?

I don't think it's possible to think this through to the logical conclusion, without the whole thing seeming pretty silly.  But that's a different discussion.


Regards,

quadz

[reaper]

quadz,
I think that large text you had quoted was a bunch of jibberish. I also agree 100percent with your response to peewee.

of course i'm a little biased, i've come to the conclusion it's likely there is a god similar to the christian religion's god.

[quadz]

I think that large text you had quoted was a bunch of jibberish.

Hmmm... Its meaning is crystal clear to me, so I'm pretty sure it's not gibberish.

Do you mean that you didn't understand it?

[quadz]

Quadz.. you are a master of picking out other people's Saw dust. Try to understand the idea of context. If she were talking about religion then go ahead and have your own religion or none at all. But don't specify a single religion and margainalize it. That woman does not represent me, and don't pretend that she represents any other person than her self.

Hmm.  We seem to have built different contextual models of the discussion, I'll grant you that.

My feeling was that Daemia had pointed out the actions of some total fanatics as a starting point, which she use to draw some general conslusions. But when she said, "im undecided on my religious beliefs but i know that if i were to worship a god it would be a kind god" it seemed clear to me Daemia is now talking about her personal concept of god.

And so, I read your reply, "but you really have no idea what you're talking about", as contending that her personal concept of god was invalid.

This was not "religion is wrath" this was "The God of the Christians is wrath." So yes, feel free to choose your own context to fit your own purposes.

I didn't get the impression Daemia was still talking specifically about Christian concepts, but rather about the concept of a vengeful God in general.  When I read, "im undecided on my religious beliefs but i know that if i were to worship a god it would be a kind god. the whole 'God will punish you' thing makes me not want to be religious," I got the impression she was speaking about her own personal beliefs and feelings.  Not about Christianity in specific, but rather in the categorical sense that Christianity may be among the set of religions whose concept of god doesn't seem to match her own.

That was my context.  What was yours? 

And what makes anyone's opinion on anything more valid than another? How about willingness to understand the Christian religion?

I'm not sure if the implication is that I haven't spent time studying the Christian religion myself?  (I have, incidentally. )


Regards,

quadz

[peewee_RotA]

I'm tired of these arguments. Withdrawing all statements

Just be solemn that you're not the first nor last group to consider the Christian defending his own religion to be the biggot and not worthy of defending it.

Someday you'll wake up and realize it but probably not today.

[Bleach]

I think that large text you had quoted was a bunch of jibberish.

Hmmm... Its meaning is crystal clear to me, so I'm pretty sure it's not gibberish.

Seemed pretty simple to me as well, certainly gave me something to look into for the night.
 

[quadz]

Just be solemn that you're not the first nor last group to consider the Christian defending his own religion to be the biggot and not worthy of defending it.

Man, I'm sorry you felt ganged up on.

[Whirlingdervish]

I'd read it before, so I had an advantage.

It pretty much says this to me:

If your God is all-anything (all-powerful, all-knowing , all-special or whatever) then
he's pretty much required to cover every end of the spectrum from good to bad, and placing some ridiculous value upon him by saying "He's Holy" or "He's Perfect" or "he's incapable of evil" or anything of the sort, is limitting a limitless being and thus completely STUPID.

If god is as great and all-encompassing as religious fanatics tend think he must be, then he is undoubtedly beyond their comprehension by definition, and they are just writing little fairy tales about something they know relatively nothing about.

There's a couple more interpretations I have rattling around in my skull at the moment, but I'll give you time to digest these before I bring on the heat.

 

[peewee_RotA]

For me, these occasional discussions are mainly a fun way for me to see whether I can logically support my own beliefs and positions.