Ye Religion Thread

[metaL]

still comparing concepts to reality..

[quadz]

still comparing concepts to reality..

Uhh.  I'm trying to provide specific examples of infinity that exist in reality.

It seems you're happy to dismiss my examples without actually explaining why they aren't "reality" according to your private theory.

I love reasoned debates on phenomenology and the nature of consciousness, and if that's where we're headed, it seems fair to ask who made you the final authority on "reality"?

But in any case, i think the ball's in your court as far as explaining why you don't think my examples of infinities found in nature constitute "reality" according to your private theory.


Regards,

quadz

[metaL]

no, the ball isnt in my court. you just got dunked on and you're still trying to figure out who did it.   you continuously avoid the ONLY THING i have stated: That infinity cannot exist physically (and by this, i mean tangibly).  IT DOES EXIST, AS A CONCEPT; not as a number, nor does it pertain any quantifiable entities.  In real life, history consists of real life events, where things happen in the physical realm.  I argue that such events do not extend backwards in time to infinity, because i do not feel that it is possible.  Everything that exists today must have been created at some point.  Since this "creation" seems to break the law of conservation of matter, it makes sense to me that a powerful entity facilitated such an event.  consider clarity provided.

[reaper]

nothing isn't really nothing if something comes from it, so i would say infinity probably exist as tangible as you want it.  not to mention it probably exists a million other ways

[quadz]

no, the ball isnt in my court. you just got dunked on and you're still trying to figure out who did it.

[DaHanG]

Everything that exists today must have been created at some point.  Since this "creation" seems to break the law of conservation of matter, it makes sense to me that a powerful entity facilitated such an event.

I agree that everything must have been created except the matter itself (I was created, the earth was created, the universe was created - and the matter was clearly available). There's no evidence that there was ever true nothingness. We haven't created techniques to have good ideas on what occurred before the singularity (some say it was a previous universe pulling itself back down into a microscopic dense piece of matter - but this is only speculation). If indeed matter did come from nothing then invoking god would be a valid explanation for why.

[10zx]

everytime I goto this thread I'm 15 pages behind.. stfu already 

[quadz]

If indeed matter did come from nothing then invoking god would be a valid explanation for why.

Quantum vacuum fluctuations?





(I'm mostly kidding, but, virtual particles do seem to be an instance of matter coming from nothing.  Man, I hope I live long enough to be around for the discovery of a quantum theory of gravity...)

[reaper]

(Or are we headed for the classic "we will introduce a powerful entity whose nature is unfathomable and incomprehensible in order to solve the problem of existence by rendering it unquestionable" manoeuvre?)

that's just the way it is.

[{TNP}Dukie]

What's all this arguing over "Regions"?
People shouldn't care about what region they are in.  Or if one region is better than the other.  It absolutely makes no sense.
People in different regions should get along and cooperate with each other.
What really gets me steamed is the people who say they don't believe in other regions.  They are right there on the map!
Didn't they take geography in school?
Even worse are the people who say they don't beleive in any regions at all!
I think that all this arguing over different regions is silly and people should do something more constructive with their time.

[reaper]

What's all this arguing over "Regions"?
People shouldn't care about what region they are in.

[DaHanG]

If indeed matter did come from nothing then invoking god would be a valid explanation for why.

Quantum vacuum fluctuations?





(I'm mostly kidding, but, virtual particles do seem to be an instance of matter coming from nothing.  Man, I hope I live long enough to be around for the discovery of a quantum theory of gravity...)

Still "something"

[DaHanG]

(Or are we headed for the classic "we will introduce a powerful entity whose nature is unfathomable and incomprehensible in order to solve the problem of existence by rendering it unquestionable" manoeuvre?)

that's just the way it is.

That's the way your non-explanation explains it*.

i think science and god are coexisting just fine at this point, maybe if we find out there is a multi-verse, and have a little more understanding of certain things it will be the case.

That's what's great about god. Since he's incomprehensible he can be compatible with the most ridiculous circumstances.

you all can guess all you want (simple beginnings)  i believe in god, and i will guess science will uncover certain things, and it won't hurt my rational belief in god one bit

You don't appear to be open to at least the possibility of changing your mind. Faith at its finest.

anyways, i think we've only found out how much we don't know, and there's some sort of god for mankind involved.

 

[quadz]

(Or are we headed for the classic "we will introduce a powerful entity whose nature is unfathomable and incomprehensible in order to solve the problem of existence by rendering it unquestionable" manoeuvre?)

that's just the way it is.

[10zx]

it seems to me shit is connected through the energy fields, so there not really coming from nothing. after i thought about it, shit like that doesnt seem any more crazy than atoms.