http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/30/dole.ad/Dole challenger irate over suggestion she is 'godless'Kay Hagan erupted in anger Thursday over a television ad from Sen. Elizabeth Dole suggesting Hagan is "godless.""I think Elizabeth Dole has just gone to the lowest of the lows," Hagan said of the ad during an appearance on a talk show on WPTF-AM in Raleigh, North Carolina. "This is an attack on my Christian faith."Hagan, who described herself as a Sunday school teacher and an elder at a Presbyterian church in Greensboro, North Carolina, urged Dole to "pull this kind of despicable ad."Hagan, who is challenging Dole's re-election bid, filed an application in a Wake County, North Carolina, court Thursday, seeking permission to file a complaint within 20 days, after the election is over."The advertisement purposely misstates facts about the plaintiff," said the three-page application, which was filed in District Superior Court.In the 30-second ad, a narrator says that a leader of the Godless Americans Political Action Committee recently held a "secret fundraiser" for Hagan.The ad then shows members of the group, which promotes rights for atheists and the separation of church and state, declaring that neither God nor Jesus exists."Godless Americans and Kay Hagan," the ad continues. "She hid from cameras. Took 'Godless' money. What did Kay Hagan promise in return?"The ad ends with a picture of Hagan and a voice that sounds like hers declaring, "There is no God."But the application said Hagan never made that statement or accepted money from the group.[...]
Quote from: quadz on November 07, 2008, 06:36:40 PMQuote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 07, 2008, 05:41:22 PMYea, but, we ARE prohibited from practicing it in public now days to an extent, because it might Oooooffeeend some one .And taking up a nativity scene from the towns courthouse square because of separation of Church and State???? I'm pretty darn sure that’s not going to allow the local church to influence the judges next decision, and I’m pretty sure that wasn't the intent of that amendment. But the nativity scene gets taken away anyway because it offended someone somewhere.I notice you didn't mention having the ten commandments posted in the courthouse. The separation of church and state is important. If we're talking only about some nativity scene, then who cares, as long as anyone is free to put up a scene from a different denomination next to it.heh, no i would never mention such an idiot. I mean come on, putting the 10 commandments in the courthouse ??? That was a idiot judge in Montgomery, Alabama wasn't it? It's crap like that that screws it for everybody else. I mean I understand why he was doing it, but you just can't do that, Seperation of Church and State definatly covered that one.Quote from: quadz on November 07, 2008, 06:36:40 PMQuote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 07, 2008, 05:41:22 PMBut, getting back to the original topic, that in itself is what ticks me about the way people act in America.Instead of using the constitution for its intended purpose, to make sure we HAVE freedom of religion, it gets perverted by some to insure we have to actually HIDE our freedom of religion. :/Uh. We're nowhere near people having to "hide" their religion. It's embarassing that politicians still have to pretend to be Christian to get elected.Closer than you think, closer than you think. Believe me, Tell a group in public your Christian and you better be wearing a hard hat because shit is fixing to come down mighty hard. Even if most in the group can be seen in church next Sunday. As far as politions pretending to be christians to get elected, that's just a matter of getting the popular vote and has nothing to do with Seperation of Church and State. If America was 75% buddhist they would pretend to be buddhist. And yes I agree, it's sad that they do that, but that's just the way it is the world over, not just here.
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 07, 2008, 05:41:22 PMYea, but, we ARE prohibited from practicing it in public now days to an extent, because it might Oooooffeeend some one .And taking up a nativity scene from the towns courthouse square because of separation of Church and State???? I'm pretty darn sure that’s not going to allow the local church to influence the judges next decision, and I’m pretty sure that wasn't the intent of that amendment. But the nativity scene gets taken away anyway because it offended someone somewhere.I notice you didn't mention having the ten commandments posted in the courthouse. The separation of church and state is important. If we're talking only about some nativity scene, then who cares, as long as anyone is free to put up a scene from a different denomination next to it.
Yea, but, we ARE prohibited from practicing it in public now days to an extent, because it might Oooooffeeend some one .And taking up a nativity scene from the towns courthouse square because of separation of Church and State???? I'm pretty darn sure that’s not going to allow the local church to influence the judges next decision, and I’m pretty sure that wasn't the intent of that amendment. But the nativity scene gets taken away anyway because it offended someone somewhere.
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 07, 2008, 05:41:22 PMBut, getting back to the original topic, that in itself is what ticks me about the way people act in America.Instead of using the constitution for its intended purpose, to make sure we HAVE freedom of religion, it gets perverted by some to insure we have to actually HIDE our freedom of religion. :/Uh. We're nowhere near people having to "hide" their religion. It's embarassing that politicians still have to pretend to be Christian to get elected.
But, getting back to the original topic, that in itself is what ticks me about the way people act in America.Instead of using the constitution for its intended purpose, to make sure we HAVE freedom of religion, it gets perverted by some to insure we have to actually HIDE our freedom of religion. :/
The area within an hour around me is about 95% christian. Many of them believe that there is going to be a civil war, blacks vs whites, once and if obama is assassinated. When this happens, several have told me that they plan to "defend the bridge from stereotypical ethnic ghetto-style folk" (only way to get here) with their shotguns when this happens. Just a random little story...
When this happens, several have told me that they plan to "defend the bridge from stereotypical ethnic ghetto-style folk" (only way to get here) with their shotguns when this happens. Just a random little story...
I copied this post over here from the USA/pride thread, so as not to further derail that topic...But I was wondering...Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 07, 2008, 07:40:01 PMQuote from: quadz on November 07, 2008, 06:36:40 PMQuote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 07, 2008, 05:41:22 PMYea, but, we ARE prohibited from practicing it in public now days to an extent, because it might Oooooffeeend some one .And taking up a nativity scene from the towns courthouse square because of separation of Church and State???? I'm pretty darn sure that’s not going to allow the local church to influence the judges next decision, and I’m pretty sure that wasn't the intent of that amendment. But the nativity scene gets taken away anyway because it offended someone somewhere.I notice you didn't mention having the ten commandments posted in the courthouse. The separation of church and state is important. If we're talking only about some nativity scene, then who cares, as long as anyone is free to put up a scene from a different denomination next to it.heh, no i would never mention such an idiot. I mean come on, putting the 10 commandments in the courthouse ??? That was a idiot judge in Montgomery, Alabama wasn't it? It's crap like that that screws it for everybody else. I mean I understand why he was doing it, but you just can't do that, Seperation of Church and State definatly covered that one.Quote from: quadz on November 07, 2008, 06:36:40 PMQuote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 07, 2008, 05:41:22 PMBut, getting back to the original topic, that in itself is what ticks me about the way people act in America.Instead of using the constitution for its intended purpose, to make sure we HAVE freedom of religion, it gets perverted by some to insure we have to actually HIDE our freedom of religion. :/Uh. We're nowhere near people having to "hide" their religion. It's embarassing that politicians still have to pretend to be Christian to get elected.Closer than you think, closer than you think. Believe me, Tell a group in public your Christian and you better be wearing a hard hat because shit is fixing to come down mighty hard. Even if most in the group can be seen in church next Sunday. As far as politions pretending to be christians to get elected, that's just a matter of getting the popular vote and has nothing to do with Seperation of Church and State. If America was 75% buddhist they would pretend to be buddhist. And yes I agree, it's sad that they do that, but that's just the way it is the world over, not just here.DS, I'm interested to know more about what you mean by, "Tell a group in public your Christian and you better be wearing a hard hat..."According to 2004 estimates on http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html a huge majority of U.S. inhabitants still profess to be Christian (76.5%), followed by Nonreligious/Secular respondents (13.2%), with the remainder of religions having very much lower percentages...So apparently, in public, in the U.S., we can expect 3 out of 4 people to self-identify as Christian. So I'm interested in what you are experiencing in public that leaves you feeling "shit is fixing to come down mighty hard" when you mention you're Christian?Regards,quadz
Quote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 07, 2008, 07:40:01 PMCloser than you think, closer than you think. Believe me, Tell a group in public your Christian and you better be wearing a hard hat because shit is fixing to come down mighty hard. Even if most in the group can be seen in church next Sunday. I am pretty confused about this persecution complex ( ). About 80% of America is Christian. Even if Christians are frequently outed for exposing their beliefs to a group, is there any impact that remains the following day? Sticks and stones can....
Closer than you think, closer than you think. Believe me, Tell a group in public your Christian and you better be wearing a hard hat because shit is fixing to come down mighty hard. Even if most in the group can be seen in church next Sunday.
Quote from: quadz on November 07, 2008, 06:36:40 PMQuote from: [BTF]DeathStalker on November 07, 2008, 05:41:22 PMYea, but, we ARE prohibited from practicing it in public now days to an extent, because it might Oooooffeeend some one .And taking up a nativity scene from the towns courthouse square because of separation of Church and State???? I'm pretty darn sure that’s not going to allow the local church to influence the judges next decision, and I’m pretty sure that wasn't the intent of that amendment. But the nativity scene gets taken away anyway because it offended someone somewhere.I notice you didn't mention having the ten commandments posted in the courthouse. The separation of church and state is important. If we're talking only about some nativity scene, then who cares, as long as anyone is free to put up a scene from a different denomination next to it.I'd have no problem with a county courthouse having a sweet little nativity scene on the front lawn... just as long as I'm allowed to put up a Solstice tree right beside it adorned with my own religious symbol on the top of it. ...since it's not going affect the judges decisions, right?Somehow I doubt that would ever fly though. And I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for complaining about such a display.Why?Because people would say that the government is endorsing Satanism, or what most people would incorrectly refer to as "devil worship". That's the exact same way I view it when a courthouse or government building displays a nativity scene during Xmas. It's a statement that says, "We value Christianity more than other religions/philosophies."However, people are going to bitch about it no matter what you do. You can stop saying "Merry Christmas" and just say "Happy Holidays" to be completely generic, but even THAT could potentially bunch the panties of a few old-school pagan yo-yo's. The term "holiday" means HOLY DAY, a day which has ordained as sanctified by the catholic church. In reality, Christmas is NOT when Jesus was born. The catholic church simply stole solstice (a few other celebratory days) from the pagans, changed the names a little, obscured the meanings, and called it their own so that they could "cleanse" the people from the poison of the heathen traditions. Halloween has lots of imagery of death. It also happens in the middle of FALL, when the harvest is dying off... just to give you a little hint about the true meaning behind Halloween.Anyway...I'm not saying that I'm going to spend a day picketing with signs if my local courthouse puts up a nativity scene (which they don't, good for them), but I certainly don't think it's appropriate for them or any other government office to imply that they endorse any specific religion over another.
I’d really like to touch on this.First, if there is a nativity scene on the courthouse square it doesn't mean they endorse Christianity, no more than our Halloween decorations on the square imply that the courthouse endorses witches and evil pumpkins. It's a religious holiday and they put up the appropriate decoration for whatever holiday it is. The point I was making is that some people pervert the separation of church and state amendment to have it taken down.It can go both ways, if their was a Hale Satan day and 75% of the towns population celebrated that day and put up some pentagrams on the square, far be it for me to rune it for everyone else. THATS WHAT PISSES ME OFF. A very few people RUNE something for everyone else simply because they don't agree with it. And they will pervert the separation of church and state amendment to get it done.My question is why ????If i was born in Iran, why should I rune it for everyone else just because "I" don't agree with it. Oh wait, that's right, you can't do that there, you would get shot in the face. Silly me, I forgot.But, we live in America, where your free to that.Again, the point is, We live in America, where instead of most people being "thankful" that they can legally stage and hold a (insert religion of chose here) demonstration, march, and/or parade, most would rather screw someone out of their fun because "they" didn't sign off on it.