UFO SPACECRAFT CONFIRMED BY USA

[|iR|Focalor]

Not new. But the numbers coming across are definitely DRAMATICALLY higher now.

[pepp5]

But the numbers coming across are definitely DRAMATICALLY higher now.

Ouch. That is not good.  Do you have some numbers or citations about the 1980s compared to now?

[|iR|Focalor]

But the numbers coming across are definitely DRAMATICALLY higher now.

Ouch. That is not good.  Do you have some numbers or citations about the 1980s compared to now?

That's right. It's a fuckin' "CONSPIRACY THEORY" isn't it. Lib-splain away what we're all seeing with our own two fucking eyeballs. I could argue this bullshit with you, but fuck it. I see it. We all see it. If you wanna live a delusion where the shit right in front of you isn't really happening, you go right ahead.

[pepp5]

Huh? I just want some data to analyze that shows the changes. I've heard stories of immigrants invading homes in Yuma, for example, but I can't find any data to back it up. I don't live there, you see, so my eyeballs fail me on this information.

There is no "lib" or "conservative" about verifiable facts.

[|iR|Focalor]

Huh? I just want some data to analyze that shows the changes. I've heard stories of immigrants invading homes in Yuma, for example, but I can't find any data to back it up. I don't live there, you see, so my eyeballs fail me on this information.

There is no "lib" or "conservative" about verifiable facts.

Gee. I wonder where in the hell you could possibly find that. If only there was somewhere one could go to access a wealth of information about various topics that one could search at will using some type of convenient electronic interface device. You can look up everybody's IP, just not immigration statistics, huh.

[pepp5]

Gee, thanks.  You made the statement, and you want me to research the data to back up your statement. I really hate this new form of discussion. 

Assertion: "The sun is now blue colored" - response:  "where did you read that?" - answer: "if only there was somewhere one could go to access a wealth of information..."

I did some searching, on that wealth of information, and the closest I can find is in this paragraph, which states:  "In 2017, illegal border crossing arrests hit a 46-year low, and were down 25% from the previous year."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States#Trends

[|iR|Focalor]

I really hate this new form of discussion. 

It's NOT a discussion. I mentioned a well known FACT OF REALITY, and you essentially responded by saying, "Where is your proof?" I find that to be a ridiculous response... thus the ridicule.

If I say the sun is blue, you can look the fuck up in the sky and see it for yourself. If it's actually blue, you're not gonna miss it. All you gotta do is strain those little neck muscles and focus those little eyeballs... and then you see it. It doesn't require extensive preparation, it doesn't require an instruction manual.

Every single god damn news outlet has said it: "HOLY SHIT, THAT'S A LOTTA FUCKIN' MIGRANTS!" It's no one else's fault (or mine) if YOU aren't paying attention to it.

This might sound patronizing, but that's only because it totally is: Inflation is a real thing too. It's another thing I'm not gonna waste my time trying to prove to someone who appears to be trying to deny the reality of inconvenient truths.

Just to piss people off, I'm gonna quote stats I heard on FOX NEWS... and then not post a reference...

About 1.5 to 3mil per year that border patrol corral. They estimate they only interact with 15 to 25% of all incoming migrants, meaning that about 75% slip through unvetted unknown uncounted. Conservative estimates put the yearly totals at something like 9mil or more.

How many pictures like this came from the 80's?

Because there's a "plethora" of pictures like this from the last few years.

[pepp5]

I'm checking out of this discussion. Too much anger or whatever this is. I tried.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discussion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anger_management

[|iR|Focalor]

"WHAT IMMIGRANTS!?! WHAT PROBLEMS!?! WHERE!?! I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS!!!" -Pepp, this thread, 6/11/23

Here's another quote that's actually real, unfortunately...

"The border is secure." -VP Kamala Harris, 9/11/22

One can only marvel at the tremendous stupidity that is required to consider that a truthful statement. This is the person on deck to take the wheel if Dopey Joe keels over dead. If you're not fucking terrified, you're not paying attention.



...meanwhile, basically every word out of the little puppet Karine Jean Pierre's mouth is "Don't believe your lying eyes and ears, everything is fine."



... Eek. Aw geez, excuse me, I meant, "lesbian woman of color" puppet's mouth, because apparently that identity is of the utmost importance and was likely the primary reason she was given the job of press secretary. I mean... it's pretty damned obvious that COMPETENCE wasn't the main qualifier, otherwise she'd be able to answer questions without having to read EVERY SINGLE THING WORD FOR WORD FROM A PRE-MADE 3 RING BINDER.



There she is, looking down again. America has developed a very familiar relationship with this bitch's ridiculous garish metallic silver eye shadow. I challenge you... time her when she is talking and actively answering a press members question, and then time her for the amount of time she is looking down and reading the answer that she is giving. She's never looking AT the press or the cameras longer than about 5 to 10% of the time she is answering. She reads it all word for word like a fucking 4th grader. She is USELESS. Just like this entire administration is USELESS. They tell you employment is up - it isn't. They said inflation is transitory - it isn't. They promised things would be better under their reign - it's not.

We all know it. We see it. Even YOU do, you just wanna deny reality for some reason. But fuck it, let's call it what it is. It's Democrats streamlining the importation of what they believe will be loyal Democrat voters (a form of election meddling, obviously), and they also consider them a reliable source of tax revenue for the government so they can continue their obscene spending habits. They do not really care about these people and do not care to make their lives better (otherwise they'd focus more on the problem of what is making them decide to immigrate in the first place). They are a means to an end.

[pepp5]

grrr grrr grrr ! 

I don't know what's going on in Reykjavík, Iceland for the same reasons I don't know what's going on at "the border". I don't live near one.   Okay, maybe a bunch of apologetic Canadians are racing down here near Bellingham trying to jam more Bryan Adams up our butt, but my contacts up there haven't said anything about it.  And I just haven't seen it on the news. Sorry for not keeping up.

And I never said the statement that was earlier fabricated.

(wasn't this thread supposed to be more Art Bell - oriented?)

[|iR|Focalor]

... I don't know what's going on at "the border" ... And I just haven't seen it on the news. Sorry for not keeping up.

Sooooo...

You want to argue against a thing that you aren't even informed about.

I'm checking out of this discussion.

By your own admission,you were never even CHECKED IN, dude.

[|iR|Focalor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

Yeah, that would be a possible logical fallacy at work here...

Then again, when you "don't know what's going on", I would assert that to be the fallacy of personal incredulity (you find it hard to understand, therefore it must not be true).

It's on every major cable news network. Left, right, ALL OF THEM.

There is no "lib" or "conservative" about verifiable facts.

TRUE! The evidence of it is verifiable and undeniable. There's a good reason why I refuse to provide it for you. Because when I do, you will likely attack the source as corrupt. On the other hand, I know that it's virtually impossible for you to find a source on your own that will lie and say that numbers are not dramatically elevated. As I said before, WE ALL KNOW IT. The idea that I need to do anything to prove it is ridiculous.

Nope. It's not fine. Those are flames.

Nope. It's not fine. Those are shitloads of immigrants.

[pepp5]

You want to argue against a thing that you aren't even informed about.

Point out where I argued against a thing? I will quote what I asked:

Ouch. That is not good.  Do you have some numbers or citations about the 1980s compared to now?

How can that be interpreted as "arguing against" anything? How am I supposed to understand the situation or prove the situation you state to others without at least *some* sort of reference?  Why the adversarial tone?

I already said I don't watch a lot of news. I guess you do, but... when I have seen news it has either been local or it hasn't mentioned much about the issue you brought up.  I watch some FNEWS and CNN, both. I bet you I can challenge you on local happenings here because you don't watch news about what's going on here.

Jeez this is a futile argument. I only came here for the five minute argument, not the full half hour.

[|iR|Focalor]

Ouch. That is not good.  Do you have some numbers or citations about the 1980s compared to now?

How can that be interpreted as "arguing against" anything?

Essentially saying, "Prove it", typifies the position of arguing against something.

I bet you I can challenge you on local happenings here because you don't watch news about what's going on here.

If I remember correctly, you live in Portland or somewhere way up there in the left corner.

It would be accurate to say that "murphy's law" is the state of affairs where you live, effectively "hell on earth" and/or "everyone escaped from the loony asylum" to someone like me. It's why people are fleeing California and moving to my state. And quite frankly, I wish they'd go the fuck home. Traffic is SHIT. I don't know actual numbers, but I'd estimate that the population of the Atlanta metro area has doubled or more in the last 12 years.

[pepp5]

Essentially saying, "Prove it", typifies the position of arguing against something.

No. It doesn't. At all. Asking for where you got your information is not arguing against it. Period.   I was simply asking for a reference for what you were saying. I wasn't denying or negating anything. If you make some point with passion, it helps to have some reference to pass on about it for christ sake!

Similar to my earlier point about blue colored sun:  If I say that the Space Needle in Seattle Washington has its center of gravity five feet above the ground, and someone asks me where I read/heard/saw that, there is nothing wrong with asking me my source for that information.  I don't think that they are arguing against me, jeez.


Here is my source for that fact:

https://www.spaceneedle.com/history - 1961 entry


Would you talk to ten year old Timmy like this in a classroom? Timmy asks, "where did you hear that Mercury is the closest planet to the sun?" - and you would respond with, "Timmy, you are typifying the position of arguing against something". 

Really?