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[Whirlingdervish]

um it's not supposed to be some newfangled idea...

there is no difference with regard to "choice".
they decide things the way everyone else does.
They aren't having gay sex without choosing to do so.

the only difference between gays and straights (not counting any possible genetic cause for homosexuality)
is who their feelings tell them is attractive and good screwing material.

after that, comes the stage where everyone decides to engage in sex or not to. (regardless of orientation)

I'm not trying to state why they do it, just that they do make a choice to have sex with each other just like straight people, so sexual orientation can be subtracted from both sides of the equation.
period.

right, and i am asking: who hasn't realized they are choosing to have sex?

A: anyone who believes that gay people are forced to have sex with other gay people because their sexual orientation leads them to be attracted to members of the same gender. (They could just as easily not have any sex. So could I for that matter.)

B: likewise, any straight person who says they made a kid by accident hasn't realized that they chose to have sex.

C: Dumbasses.

[DaHanG]

right, and i am asking: who hasn't realized they are choosing to have sex?

A: anyone who believes that gay people are forced to have sex with other gay people because their sexual orientation leads them to be attracted to members of the same gender. (They could just as easily not have any sex. So could I for that matter.)

B: anyone who says they made a kid by accident. (they chose to do something that makes children.)]

C: Dumbasses.

A. forced to have sex voluntarily? 

B. people who made a kid by accident that didn't realize they chose to have sex? 

C. i'm glad you made a priority to try to enlighten dumbasses. 

[jägermonsta]

explain how i would be bothered personally in one way or another by homosexuality. i haven't yet.

It was one of those metaphorical statements you like to use. Say the world accepted gays, then at some point you would be bothered by them. What it is that will bother you does not matter. The fact is, it will happen at some point.

[Art]

Sorry to interupt you guys, but why aren't the gays around here defending themselves?
NI-UX, where are you!!!?

ooh cheap shot!

[quadz]

I'm not trying to state why they do it, just that they do make a choice to have sex with each other just like straight people, so sexual orientation can be subtracted from both sides of the equation.
period.

OK.  Again, I thought this was axiomatic.

I guess it begs the question whether you're leading to some reason gays shouldn't be making exactly the same choices you are, i.e. following their sexual orientation with regard to who they make love to?

A: anyone who believes that gay people are forced to have sex with other gay people because their sexual orientation leads them to be attracted to members of the same gender. (They could just as easily not have any sex. So could I for that matter.)

B: likewise, any straight person who says they made a kid by accident hasn't realized that they chose to have sex.

C: Dumbasses.

I'm unable to distinguish between group A and C. 


Regards,

quadz

[DaHanG]

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[jägermonsta]

ahh ok, thank you for the English lesson. I shall put forth you teachings towards future writings.

statement still stands.

hey dahang, what if your child turned out to be gay? you would accept that? how about if your father turned gay. it wouldn't bother you what so ever?

what if your kids teacher in school got a sex change... all of a sudden he was a she. what do you tell your kid? these are things that you would just shrug off since homosexuality doesn't affect you what so ever? what if things like this happened and it DID affect you. what then?

[Whirlingdervish]

I'll rephrase that to make it even more convoluted:

a: Anyone who thinks that gay people have sex with other gays because their sexual orientation makes them chose to do the nasty with another person of like gender, hasn't realized that people (gay or otherwise) don't have to have sex at all, and their choices are not absolutely determined by things like feelings and sexual orientation.

BTW, forces that affect our choices to do something (like having voluntary sex) are not all external stimuli. (in case that was the way you were interpretting the word force in this context)

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on another note, yes, group A and C probably include many of the same members.

and, the only unbiased reasons I could think of were hypothetical situations remember?!!?!?
(increasing the chances of survival for the species, through uncounted possibilities of sexually interchanged genes..)

lol.

My views on eugenics are much like those of an optimistic roulette player who is playing on a table where the wheel has a nearly infinite number of slots for the little ball.

the more you spin the wheel (people having sex with a chance of producing advanced offspring) the more you are gonna have a chance to win. (of course you could also lose your ass, as you so eloquently pointed out yesterday.)
spinning the wheel over and over doesn't increase your odds of picking the right number, but you won't win if you don't spin.

[DaHanG]

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[jägermonsta]

translation: admission of defeat. grammar had nothing to do with the situation. 

grammar had plenty to do with the situation you battled me over lol. ok here, you defeated me at grammar? 

you're so caught up on the idea of defeating people. You really haven't defeated anything. I am still against homosexuality and that's what this has all been about. you can take this 'i don't care' stance when its obvious you care very much on peoples opinions vs gays. look at your last 12 posts or so... cmon man.

[DaHanG]

I'll rephrase that to make it even more convoluted:

a: Anyone who thinks that gay people have sex with other gays because their sexual orientation makes them chose to do the nasty with another person of like gender, hasn't realized that people (gay or otherwise) don't have to have sex at all, and their choices are not absolutely determined by things like feelings and sexual orientation.

BTW, forces that affect our choices to do something (like having voluntary sex) are not all external stimuli. (in case that was the way you were interpretting the word force in this context)

...i guess i thought it was universally understood that people acknowledge sexually active gays choose to have sex. you seem to think there is more to it; there is not. all sexually active people choose to have sex (unless it's rape of course ) anyways. you're not insightful in stating that gays choose to have gay sex, so let's let the topic dissolve.

[DaHanG]

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[jägermonsta]

metaphorical statements are supposed to have some sort of supporting foundation. justification of such statements does not consist of "oh it will happen, just wait!"

I incorrectly categorized my statement saying it was metaphorical and you pointed it out which in the end defeated the idea that my statement was correctly formed to be metaphorical.

uhh 

[quadz]

the more you spin the wheel (people having sex with a chance of producing advanced offspring) the more you are gonna have a chance to win. (of course you could also lose your ass, as you so eloquently pointed out yesterday.)

Ah.

[Whirlingdervish]

I'll rephrase that to make it even more convoluted:

a: Anyone who thinks that gay people have sex with other gays because their sexual orientation makes them chose to do the nasty with another person of like gender, hasn't realized that people (gay or otherwise) don't have to have sex at all, and their choices are not absolutely determined by things like feelings and sexual orientation.

BTW, forces that affect our choices to do something (like having voluntary sex) are not all external stimuli. (in case that was the way you were interpretting the word force in this context)

...i guess i thought it was universally understood that people acknowledge sexually active gays choose to have sex. you seem to think there is more to it; there is not. all sexually active people choose to have sex (unless it's rape of course ) anyways. you're not insightful in stating that gays choose to have gay sex, so let's let the topic dissolve.

godammit!

I'm getting tired of repeating things I said in previous posts that you ignored or misunderstood!

um it's not supposed to be some newfangled idea...

I'm not trying to be insightful on this subject as I stated right fuckin here!
I was just stating the obvious for those who don't look far enough to see it for themself.

Obvious shit isn't obvious to people who are wearing blinders, and only see what they want and only believe what they're told.

nothing is universally understood, and people don't really understand shit in the first place.
we think we know whats up, but as a species we really have no fucking clue as to what the hell is happening on a "universal" scale. I don't claim to either.

All I know, is that I don't know squat in the face of the universes infinite complexity, just like every other person on earth regardless of their level of intelligence.