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[|iR|Focalor]

on public property however, if an organizer holds a rally, if a counter protestor appears and more people hold the opposite view, they can be shouted down or asked to leave.

What law is this? As far as I know, there are no state or city codes to this effect anywhere.

[Golgo13]

on public property however, if an organizer holds a rally, if a counter protestor appears and more people hold the opposite view, they can be shouted down or asked to leave.

What law is this? As far as I know, there are no state or city codes to this effect anywhere.

It's not a law. it's just what will happen because society is fucked up.

[Sgt. Dick]

political correctness is destroying the foundation of american culture. However, Let's look at this objectively.  Any privately owned entity can accept, deny, or ignore any sentiments posed by the supposed "offender". The owner will have to choose, based on their own personal biases which message they will condone or not.

Hence, Since the owner of this forum is neutral in almost all aspects, he would have to strike a balance to his needs. which is to risk losing % of members over critics % that disagrees with the message. on public property however, if an organizer holds a rally, if a counter protestor appears and more people hold the opposite view, they can be shouted down or asked to leave.

the group might even call an officer to state they are "Disturbing the peace" or some other effect. Most times the person Must leave even though they are practicing their first amendment right. This is just the facts. it's much better to protest away from the group (across the street) or to exercise the first amendment when there is no large groups of protestors.

Or he could just delete all of the responses he does not like and then lock the thread.

[|iR|Focalor]

From what little I know about it, some cities actually have local ordinances against certain types of rallies and marches, ideally shit like a Klan rally or march. Certain city councils have passed laws prohibiting "hate groups" or groups reputed to be part of organized crime and racketeering from having any kind of event on public or city owned properties like public parks, public roads, sidewalks, etc. Sometimes they use these codes to prevent them from passing out literature in public areas as well as posting any signs or advertisements for their organizations or affiliates.

And speaking of signs and advertisement... Believe it or not, in recent years the Klan has actually tried to clean up their image and get public support and prominent advertising by using the Adopt-A-Highway program. They agree to keep a certain stretch of road cleaned up from litter and debris, and cities post up one of those nice little signs saying something like "Adopt-A-Highway: this stretch of I-whatever adopted by the Wherever Knights of the Ku Klux Klan." Adorable, huh? I've never actually seen one, but I know they do exist, and I imagine that those areas of highway are probably more prone to litter problems since the people littering know who is responsible for cleaning it up, hehe.

Cities that don't have ordinances installed prohibiting them from rallies... sometimes they'll refuse them anyway knowing that they have no legal grounds for it. Other cities that don't have the money to battle it out in court over refusing them will bite the bullet and let them have their little party. But there really aren't that many places left that actually give a fuck about their 1st amendment rights to give them a full blessing to hold their public rallies and marches. Maybe it ain't fair, maybe it ain't 100% legal, but fuck em. It's not anyone elses fault they're still living in the 1800's.

[Golgo13]

From what little I know about it, some cities actually have local ordinances against certain types of rallies and marches, ideally shit like a Klan rally or march. Certain city councils have passed laws prohibiting "hate groups" or groups reputed to be part of organized crime and racketeering from having any kind of event on public or city owned properties like public parks, public roads, sidewalks, etc. Sometimes they use these codes to prevent them from passing out literature in public areas as well as posting any signs or advertisements for their organizations or affiliates.

i used to think the ACLU was crazy for defending Klan rallies. However later i learned that even if you disagree with someones ideaology, don't allow them to speak. it still infringes on your own right to speak, even if you oppose them. The term "Hate groups"  is used so loosely now, it's almost considered criminal.

The SPLC classifies christians as extremists now. before it was the Lexicon/MIAC report that People who "refer to the constitution often" are labeled extremists. it's also on tape that cops are being taught the founding fathers were terrorists.
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Depending on what lens you look through, anything can be stretched to look a certain way. we live in a subjective morality era.  However, i believe equality for all men and women is not unreasonable.

[Golgo13]

Or he could just delete all of the responses he does not like and then lock the thread.

like i said, this is a privately owned forum. The owner can do as they please. since the owner permits users that make threads to delete comments as they see fit. it is allowed. you can say what you want, However i don't need to look at comments that aim to inflame conversations.

it's also inconsequential because it's just day to day drivel and personal opinions on something that doesn't matter. now in politics, that's a different story. i'd like to hear what my opponent has to say, as long as it's valid and pertains to the conversation. If They have the conscious will to communicate their beliefs in a constructive way.

for example if someone is cursing in a sentence and passionate about their stance, even throwing a few insults, but providing facts as to why they believe a certain thing. it's fine by me. if they provide no facts and seek to inflame or disrupt the conversation, i delete the comment.

it's sort of that way in reality too. if i don't want to hear someones opinion, i simply walk away. doesn't change the facts though. like i said above. public vs private. There is no guarantee of free speech. that's just the way it is. i'm just the messenger.

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[|iR|Focalor]

The SPLC classifies christians as extremists now.

Not exactly. The Klan was prosecuted damn near into complete oblivion several years back by the SPLC. The plaintiff in the case was awarded a multimillion dollar settlement, and of course the Klan was unable to pay it. As restitution, the victims family was given the organizations property and headquarters which they sold. After losing their national headquarters and all their money, they were forced to disband their national organization. Today, they are "officially" not a national organization anymore. Instead, they hide behind religion, namely as the Church of Jesus Christ Christian as well as several Christian Identity groups. Several individual state level Klan organizations exist, but I don't think they're allowed to officially affiliate themselves on a nationwide organizational level. Instead, they do it through religious groups unofficially while maintaining their independent status. Loopholes ftw.

[Golgo13]

it's still a blanket statement either way you look at it. not every christian is in "the clan". it wasn't the SPLC per say but they would approve such.

http://christiannews.net/2013/04/07/training-classifies-evangelical-christianity-as-religious-extremism-along-with-al-qaeda-hamas/

[Sgt. Dick]

The Klan has always been tagged as a racist group by the media.  The Klan actions did not always involve black people.  The Klan took action against "the husband who was a drunk abusive deadbeat", "the wife who was sluting around", etc.  The Klan held the white race to an standard and policed those who were not living up to that standard.
I have a long family history in the south and have heard personal accounts of these actions.  While not confirmed, I probably had family members who participated in these actions.

[Booya]

http://rt.com/usa/buckner-webb-kkk-idaho-842/

[|iR|Focalor]

it's still a blanket statement either way you look at it. not every christian is in "the clan". it wasn't the SPLC per say but they would approve such.

http://christiannews.net/2013/04/07/training-classifies-evangelical-christianity-as-religious-extremism-along-with-al-qaeda-hamas/

Well look where you're getting that information from. Not exactly unbiased.

"Evangelical Christianity" IS religious extremism in some cases. Look at those Branch Davidian wackos from Waco. When your religious figurehead is telling everyone that some kinda Holy War is imminent and they respond by stockpiling large numbers of weapons and ammunation intended to kill people, that IS religious extremism.

[Golgo13]

Well look where you're getting that information from. Not exactly unbiased.

"Evangelical Christianity" IS religious extremism in some cases. Look at those Branch Davidian wackos from Waco. When your religious figurehead is telling everyone that some kinda Holy War is imminent and they respond by stockpiling large numbers of weapons and ammunition intended to kill people, that IS religious extremism.

it's quite obvious you didn't read the article. they name almost every religion in the book.  it's also on many other sites. i just picked randomly from that site. it's on neutral news sites as well. you also are making an allegation that the davidians had a motive to kill people. no proof. i already see the trap of wording you are using. you are just trying to justify something to suit your own bias.

I'm sure your rose colored glasses blinds you on the Klan topic. sure you may view them as benign. "policing the white community of the south" however the majority of people view them as a hate group. they commit acts of violence against people of color if need be.

Nowadays i hear physical violence is very rare. only when they go near their property and they are for the most part civil as they give a warning.  it's "understood" by both parties where the line is drawn. there is no need for a "Klan" today however. People can make their own choices who they want to marry. It's a backwards way that devolves human interaction.
 
That is why they live in a secluded part of the country. their ideology is fringe, not mainstream. We have police, they follow laws (some do). society doesn't need a coercive group of local "citizens" to instill fear about ever dating "out of race", so they can "keep the white race pure" that is not freedom. However if people make conscious effort to not want to intermarry, then that is their choice.

[wallppen]

My pasta is clearly the best pasta. Ever.

[|iR|Focalor]

Well look where you're getting that information from. Not exactly unbiased.

"Evangelical Christianity" IS religious extremism in some cases. Look at those Branch Davidian wackos from Waco. When your religious figurehead is telling everyone that some kinda Holy War is imminent and they respond by stockpiling large numbers of weapons and ammunition intended to kill people, that IS religious extremism.

it's quite obvious you didn't read the article. they name almost every religion in the book.  it's also on many other sites. i just picked randomly from that site. it's on neutral news sites as well. you also are making an allegation that the davidians had a motive to kill people. no proof. i already see the trap of wording you are using. you are just trying to justify something to suit your own bias.

I'm sure your rose colored glasses blinds you on the Klan topic. sure you may view them as benign. "policing the white community of the south" however the majority of people view them as a hate group. they commit acts of violence against people of color if need be.

Nowadays i hear physical violence is very rare. only when they go near their property and they are for the most part civil as they give a warning.  it's "understood" by both parties where the line is drawn. there is no need for a "Klan" today however. People can make their own choices who they want to marry. It's a backwards way that devolves human interaction.
 
That is why they live in a secluded part of the country. their ideology is fringe, not mainstream. We have police, they follow laws (some do). society doesn't need a coercive group of local "citizens" to instill fear about ever dating "out of race", so they can "keep the white race pure" that is not freedom. However if people make conscious effort they don't want to intermarry, then that is their choice.

First of all, read this loud and clear. FUCK THE KLAN. I never said they police the white race, obviously you're referring to what SgtDick said in another thread. We're two different guys. There's truth to what he said about the Klan in that particular post though. They DID used to send "messages" to drunken deadbeat husbands, wife beaters, kid beaters, etc. And yeah, they also used to commit hate crimes. But that was back before probably anyone using this message board was ever born, probably the 20's, 30's and 40's. But I have no support for their beliefs. Obviously I think it's honorable that they used to protect their neighborhoods by keeping certain things under control. But don't act like I'm some secret Klan member.

Secondly, as far as the Branch Davidians go, perhaps you need to do a little more research. If you wanna shit all over the Klan in one breath and hail the Branch Davidians as noble martyrs in the next, you should be aware that white supremacists ALSO hold that belief. Truth is that the government had a concrete case of probable cause to effect a search of the premises. There were numerous allegations of sexual and physical abuse of children going on there. These people were stockpiling HUGE amounts of military grade small arms at the behest of their supposed "Christian" leader, who, by the way, was telling his people he was the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ incarnate. Does that sound like NORMAL behavior to you? Or does that sound... "extreme"? Bottom line, the feds had a warrant and the right to enter, and instead it turned into shootout. In the end, they killed themselves before federal agents could remove them. That's not what "normal" people do.

As for "several other groups being listed among terrorists" as that story talks about... bullshit. From what I saw, that presentation never labelled ANY of them as "terrorist" groups, only "religious extremists". It's fucking true too, you can't deny it. Research a little bit about each of those groups and you'll find that they DO hold extreme beliefs.

It's pretty obvious that it's just a powerpoint presentation that was given to a group of people. I'd imagine that the person giving the presentation included "evangelical christianity" for the purpose of pointing out a select few groups within that category to show the audience how extremism can come in any form. What probably HASN'T occurred to you though is that someone is using that one particular slide as a means of creating controversy. The more important question should be "who would want to paint the US Army to look bad and why?" What would someone have to gain by this? If you wanna concern yourself with conspiracies, then read between the lines and see EVERY angle of it, not just the ones written in plain english.

Lastly, as for the rest of your preaching,... whatever. Whatever you believe is good is just fine. But don't pretend like you're telling it to some Klan member. You don't fucking know me or what I believe. Again, FUCK THE KLAN and who gives a fuck what color anyone is. I think that's all I need to say about it.

[Golgo13]

First of all, read this loud and clear. FUCK THE KLAN. I never said they police the white race, obviously you're referring to what SgtDick said in another thread. We're two different guys. There's truth to what he said about the Klan in that particular post though. They DID used to send "messages" to drunken deadbeat husbands, wife beaters, kid beaters, etc. And yeah, they also used to commit hate crimes. But that was back before probably anyone using this message board was ever born, probably the 20's, 30's and 40's. But I have no support for their beliefs. Obviously I think it's honorable that they used to protect their neighborhoods by keeping certain things under control. But don't act like I'm some secret Klan member.

whoa there. where have i implicated you into that? i probably should have quoted sgt dick to be clear. i was referring to him. in the past you may have mentioned some loose affliation with such. however you make it clear that you are no longer in line with their doctrine. good for you.

Secondly, as far as the Branch Davidians go, perhaps you need to do a little more research. If you wanna shit all over the Klan in one breath and hail the Branch Davidians as noble martyrs in the next, you should be aware that white supremacists ALSO hold that belief. Truth is that the government had a concrete case of probable cause to effect a search of the premises. There were numerous allegations of sexual and physical abuse of children going on there. These people were stockpiling HUGE amounts of military grade small arms at the behest of their supposed "Christian" leader, who, by the way, was telling his people he was the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ incarnate. Does that sound like NORMAL behavior to you? Or does that sound... "extreme"? Bottom line, the feds had a warrant and the right to enter, and instead it turned into shootout. In the end, they killed themselves before federal agents could remove them. That's not what "normal" people do.

Lastly, as for the rest of your preaching,... whatever. Whatever you believe is good is just fine. But don't pretend like you're telling it to some Klan member. You don't fucking know me or what I believe. Again, FUCK THE KLAN and who gives a fuck what color anyone is. I think that's all I need to say about it.

Again, putting words in my mouth. you're making too many assumptions. i don't believe it was normal behavior. however you were partially right about the "allegations" of mistreatment of the children. Whatever happened to innocent until "proven" guilty. However what transpired paints a completely different picture. so they went petal to the metal, got a warrant for the compound based on some "heresay".

it only turned into a shootout when the ATF attempted to enter their compound. instead of tactically announcing their presence, they decided to breach. They could have put them on watch, called their complex, worked on non-violent means as to inquire information about their "supposed plots".

So instead the government with "good intentions" went to look after the children of the compound, ended up burning the place down to the ground and ramming tanks into the joint. so the opposite of their goal happened.  that's not serving and protecting.