Tasty Spleen TMG Railwarz server please!?

[bvughtoonice]

Hi i just started playing quake2 again this year and my fave mod for 10 years has been railwarz... there is only 1 server left ACME TMG railwarz server and it gets busy almost every night of the week.
I noticed there is a tasty spleen server out there for almost everything! i like to play on tastyspleen railz, tastyspleen ra2, .id play ra2 railz server but i never seen anyone on there. ive visited a few others but most all the servers seem to generally be empty except vanilla and death match servers..

So with all the servers you have currently up and majority of them being empty most of the time... would it hurt to put up another Tastyspleen TMG Railwarz server to help keep the mod alive?

ACME server is located in washington DC i believe... and i think west coast and midwest players would benifit playing on a server like tasty spleen not sure where they are located but i was at tastyspleen railz and my westcoast friend had a nice low 40 ping just like me currently in atlanta

thank you

beaver avid railwarz fan!

[VaeVictis]

if you want to keep a mod alive, more servers isnt the right approach unless you have too many people to play on one i have noticed it was fairly active once acme was added to the goto system and i could watch the player count... but it didn't seem like they had an over filled problem

keeping everyone in one place means they always know where the game is and can all hop in and have fun if there was two servers, you might even get stupid shit like 3 people on both servers going "WE NEED A FOURTH" and since it is 3 people on each server instead of 6 on one, they all just give up and disconnect :/ (have actually seen that happen more than once for a few mods...)

its not a super seriously competitive mod anyway, so even if it might be a little ping dependent it wont matter too much if some west coast players need to play on the east coast

[bvughtoonice]

i realize what your saying.... and i thought about all that..


but....

what is there like 40? 60 tasty spleen servers???

how many of those servers are DM death match???

how many tourney servers are there???

of 60 servers... (i took a guess at 60)   only 3 or 4 are ever populated....

i enjoy playing on tasty spleen railz... i enjoy playing on ra2....i would enjoy playing ra2 railz.... but no body plays it.... so i never go to that server....

if there is 60 servers up would it hurt to have 61 one servers up??? or perhaps taking down one server that never gets used... and making it into a TMG railwarz server...

the acme TMG railwarz server is great i love it..... the wallfly is broken?? we cant "goto" any other servers... but i can go to tasty spleen railz.... and goto acmerwz... that works fine...

im not sure if the server download works correctly on acme rwz or not...

i invted a few people from tasty spleen railz... and they said they were having texture issues and this and that....problem

i go to tastyspleen servers and server download function works great!

there are 6 EAST tasty spleen servers.... (location does not matter?)
why have servers labeled east??? two are labled tournament4
4 tournament....

do all these tournament east servers get used??

there is tasty spleen dm and dm2.... why have two? do they both get used at the same time???

there is jump and jump tourney makes sense but do they both get used simultaneously???

opentdm los angelas??? chicago??? does location matter??? nethlands germany united kingdom??? (is ping an issue?)

tasty spleen tourney. tastyspleen tourney 2   (why is there two of these??? not to mention the 4 earlier???)

there is ra2 ra2match and ra2 railz....(three different ra2 servers for three different reasons....


location and ping seemed to be important when dedicating some of these servers....


now would it hurt to have 1 server.... be TMG RAilwarz.... chicago based???? that would be great for our candian friends... it would be okay for our west coast friends... im not sure where all tasty spleen servers are located.... ive not done my research....

but if there was a tasty spleen server.... dedicated to TMG railwarz... located in the same place as tasty spleen railz... i ping 40 there from atlanta... and my friend from cali pings 40 there also.....

wherever tasty spleen railz is located seems like a good central location....


i would play on tasty spleen TMG Railwarz server...... it would be a simple process to go play some railz... and then goto tasty spleen railwarz... with a few new aquaintences... i meet people on TS railz server who have never even heard of railwarz before.... but the TS name is big and they found their way to railz server...

ping is an issue to some people.... i just love this mod and i think it would help it if we had a second server besides acme... one from tasty spleen...

i only asked because there was a section on the forum for it...

i also only asked because.... there are about 60 TS servers and only 4 of them are ever populated....

im not asking too much am i???

does any one see my reasoning???

im an avid railwarz fan been playing for 10+ years...

i would play on both servers... wherever there was more people.... and im sure only one server would be populated at a time.... kinda like there are only 4 of 60 populated at a time on the rest...

but i guarantee tasty spleen railwarz will get more action than at least 56 tasty spleen servers.... and it will be used daily.... that saying a lot compared to most TS servers... get used 0 times a day...


think about it...

please...





if there was a tastyspleen server up for TMG railwarz ....i think it would help

[fdrjk]

keeping everyone in one place means they always know where the game is and can all hop in and have fun if there was two servers, you might even get stupid shit like 3 people on both servers going "WE NEED A FOURTH" and since it is 3 people on each server instead of 6 on one, they all just give up and disconnect :/ (have actually seen that happen more than once for a few mods...)

Agreed completely. This is exactly the kind of shit that killed off xatrix, in my opinion.

[Acer]

Hi Beaver, send a PM to Quadz (the man's busy) with your request > http://forum.tastyspleen.net/quake/index.php?action=profile;u=148
I hope they add a server, hell why not. From what I remember that mod takes mid-air railing to another level, I wouldn't mind seeing a ts-railwarz server at all. 

[WORM.]

the acme TMG railwarz server is great i love it..... the wallfly is broken?? we cant "goto" any other servers... but i can go to tasty spleen railz.... and goto acmerwz... that works fine...

We are aware of WallFly problems, it appears to be related to the mod. I have checked our end and linked quadz to source code so be patient. Please be aware that this is not top priority but is on the list.

im not sure if the server download works correctly on acme rwz or not...

i invted a few people from tasty spleen railz... and they said they were having texture issues and this and that....problem

i go to tastyspleen servers and server download function works great!

Yes, we use a different structure on our servers and this can be problematic for some. Our scripting system to allow ease of control for all servers depends on case sensitivity to differentiate each port. This is problematic for http downloads, and may be for UDP to some clients also. The only port that this would not be a problem on is the L-Fire CTF pub.  As time permits, I will look into it in more depth.

In the meantime, all that is needed to play is to have ctf installed and the maps. All of which are available on our download page and most are in our map paks there...which I will update after adding the tons of maps you requested on our forum.

Which brings me to the point of....if you see a problem with our servers....please contact me so it can be addressed. mmmmmkay?

does any one see my reasoning???

In a word....no.

if you want to keep a mod alive, more servers isnt the right approach unless you have too many people to play on one i have noticed it was fairly active once acme was added to the goto system and i could watch the player count... but it didn't seem like they had an over filled problem

Exactly.

We have worked very hard for years to build up a community for CTF and being East coast located have gathered players from the US and all of Europe. Our focus is CTF...L-Fire & TMG primarily but other variations are in our plans to add to the list of current servers. Our TMG Railwarz server is the testbed for development of the mod and all new builds run there before going public as greider is an integral part of AcmeCTF. And lets get real here...there just aren't enough players to support multiple servers the way it used to be. I would love that there were but it ain't so anymore. So, to keep Railwarz going it would seem to be counter-productive to split what is left.

We highly respect quadz and all the crew at Tastyspleen. A wonderful job of keeping Quake2 alive and kicking in the DM field. I would surmise that one reason Tasty has more servers is because there is a much larger player base for DM.....we're trying to keep our smaller player base going for CTF. And I deeply appreciate quadz for allowing WallFly to join up with us at AcmeCTF. This has allowed our players to easily join Tasty servers and you guys to jump on us at will. I apologize for not getting together much, much sooner but I do look forward to more cooperation between our communities.

Of course, Tastyspleen can run whatever they feel is needed and no hard feelings if they do..... but I felt I should respond to this thread to state the obvious.

[Barton]

I think ACME servers are located in TX, just like TS. So you might want to double check your tracert to see if you have a hiccup somewhere among the server hops. If you read the ACME CTF message board there are other people having ping issues on those servers.

[WORM.]

We're just outside of Washington, DC.

Ping issues are for related to routing....a player in Alberta ISP is routing him around the US to get to us and a player in Kansas with DSL in the boonies has crap ISP hitting 600-700 ping to first hop. 

For the most part, it's been pretty good.

[Barton]

Oh cool. I'd expect to get worst ping there myself.

[bvughtoonice]

so i have no connection problems to tasty spleen railz server... every night at primetime hours i ping higher and higher at acme server....


there are 90% of tasty spleen servers dont get used.

i wish someday a tastyspleen server was dedicated to railwarz....  it would be used and would not kill the mod... it would make people like me <-----

say oh my ping is crappy at acme...

i could play a flawless game at tastyspleen

other would want to play there too...

it would get more action than 90% of tastyspleen servers...

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TS Railz Tracing route to tastyspleen.net [67.228.69.114] with TTL of 32:

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Traceroute complete.



there used to be about 5 different railwarz servers up.... and more than one was getting used at the same time...

sometimes you need more space to grow...

you leave a pet in a tiny cage and it will grow restless upset and maybe die

you give it room to run and play... and it will be happy maybe even make some new friends and use the extra space...

cant make new friends with no space...

you could remove 10 TS servers i dont think anyone would notice or miss them.... you could put one TS Railwarz server up it would probably be used everyday.

[quadz]

there are 90% of tasty spleen servers dont get used.

Just a side note: The monthly expenses are the same regardless of whether we run 10 empty Q2 servers or 100 empty Q2 servers.

(Looks as though the Dallas box could possibly accomodate over 500 empty Q2 servers with little problem.)

I mention this because folks often assume an existing server needs to be discontinued before a new one can be added; but that's not the case.

We have worked very hard for years to build up a community for CTF and being East coast located have gathered players from the US and all of Europe. Our focus is CTF...L-Fire & TMG primarily but other variations are in our plans to add to the list of current servers. Our TMG Railwarz server is the testbed for development of the mod and all new builds run there before going public as greider is an integral part of AcmeCTF. And lets get real here...there just aren't enough players to support multiple servers the way it used to be. I would love that there were but it ain't so anymore. So, to keep Railwarz going it would seem to be counter-productive to split what is left.

That makes sense to me.

BTW, my unoffical but long-standing policy has been to offer complementary shell accounts on our Dallas box to Q2 mod developers. 

So if having an alternative geographical location would be useful, you're welcome to run servers there.

[bvughtoonice]

quadz with that being said can you please put up 1 extra railwarz server???? i ping 120 at acme its not fun to play there.... unless its 3am and im the only person there.... if the server causes problems after 1 month take it down... but if people are happy its there leave it up???


i love railwarz more than any other computer game or q2 mod....

i love the acme people i love the acme server... but not when i ping 120 during good hours when people like to play and 40 when no one is there... i ping 40 at TS servers all time reguardless


if there is no tastyspleen server put up.... i might try to play at acme time to time... but honestly here is one avid railwarz q2 fan who says lets throw in the towl... (thats why the mod is dying)


if there is a tastyspleen server for railwarz... (here is one player who will go out of his way to keep the mod alive!!!)


i just played a game on acme... was not very fun....

id be at TS RWZ right now idling waiting for a game ... if it was possible i think

if you guys are so bent on it "splitting" the mod which i dont see that happening.... i just see having two location options for servers..... as a good thing... but if you guys wanna see it in your negative opinion and not be optimistic like me.... just take down the acme server...a nd only run tastyspleen server .... and if its about an ego... or anything... just "name" the sever " ACME TMG Railwarz. and put it on your box in dallas....

[haunted]

err let worm respond first. i know quadz tries to cater to as many people as possible with things like this, and I assume worm has the same mentality. i mean you just suggested the idea that he move his server to a different location just because of you...not the most sensible approach to reach your goal.

[BIG DICK RICK]

so you want an extra server added just because you ping bad to another and you're unhappy?...who's going to play on it, you and you?  doesn't seem logical to me for him to put in all that work for a single person...especially when that person(you) can go golgo and run his own mod of choice off his own rig....honestly that mod has long been dead(ish) and making another server isn't going to attract anyone back, it's just going to be you fiddling your dick by yourself on an empty server and that warrants no reason to create it.

[fdrjk]

who's going to play on it, you and you?

But yeah, keep it one server. It's better to not spread out the population with two or three servers, just keep the one, and in a mod like railwarz, too.