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Religion, and the Changing Moral Zeitgeist / Re: Ye Religion Thread

« on: October 10, 2006, 11:28:41 AM »

I think we will have all the answers once we reach the 9th dimension. You may ask...How do you get to the 9th dimention?. You turn left at the 8th dimention.

Warning: Stay away from the religions that pop up when comets pass by.

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Quake / Re: Name That Q2 Cow Clan

« on: October 10, 2006, 10:53:00 AM »

Hahahahaha there's some good names here. Max Ping's gonna have a tough time picking one. 

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Religion, and the Changing Moral Zeitgeist / Re: Ye Religion Thread

« on: October 10, 2006, 08:28:22 AM »

wait how did the cow say anything after it exploded? did the flaming dung speak or was the cow
transformed into some sort of mystical spirit-bovine that existed without her big fat body?
I'm confused!

Also, are you sure it was a cow? it seems quite logical that the universe is
composed of bullshit, but that would mean the "cow" must have been a "bull"...

This is just one of the great mysteries that requires faith.

I guess it might have been a bull or maybe even a horse. 

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Religion, and the Changing Moral Zeitgeist / Re: Ye Religion Thread

« on: October 09, 2006, 01:20:28 PM »

Actually, since they proved that you can warp space and time. Maybe something could have always been.

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Religion, and the Changing Moral Zeitgeist / Re: Ye Religion Thread

« on: October 09, 2006, 01:13:02 PM »

OK, your all goin to hell. So, hell's going to be fun. I might as well join ya. God came from the "Great Cow". In the beginning there was just one big fat cow. The Great Cow always was. The cow exploded. Cow dung flew all over the place and then ignited. And the Great Cow said "This is good."

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Quake / Re: Name That Q2 Cow Clan

« on: October 09, 2006, 11:59:09 AM »

The answer is obvious.....{Mc} Mad Cows

That is good. There is a XBOX Live Halo clan called Mad Cow Clan.

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Quake / Re: Name That Q2 Cow Clan

« on: October 09, 2006, 11:41:41 AM »

Zombies are always fun!

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Quake / Re: Name That Q2 Cow Clan

« on: October 09, 2006, 11:37:18 AM »

hehehehehe or maybe {PC}  (Psycho Cows)

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Quake / Re: Name That Q2 Cow Clan

« on: October 09, 2006, 11:22:08 AM »

{MCC}  (Moo Cow Clan)    {FC}    (F'n Cows}

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Quake / Re: Name That Q2 Cow Clan

« on: October 09, 2006, 11:04:04 AM »

Aaaaahh!  {BAB}  (BadAss Bovines)

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Quake / Re: Name That Q2 Cow Clan

« on: October 09, 2006, 11:00:49 AM »

I guess MooClan is already taken. How about {TC}  (Tasty Cow) or {MOM}  (Masters of Moo)?

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Quake / Name That Q2 Cow Clan

« on: October 09, 2006, 09:44:04 AM »

Max Ping is thinking about starting a Cow Clan. If he does, what should it be called? Whoever comes up with the best name gets free cow dung for life.

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Religion, and the Changing Moral Zeitgeist / Re: Ye Religion Thread

« on: October 09, 2006, 09:03:51 AM »

 

Wheet, I agree with all of the above.   

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Religion, and the Changing Moral Zeitgeist / Re: Ye Religion Thread

« on: October 09, 2006, 07:57:51 AM »

I am not a religious person, I just believe we live, we die and that reality is all we know for certain. I also believe that everyone has at least some faith that their life is not just ended for them as if it were in a way meaningless (even if they wont admit it). I don't think you're wrong in thinking the way you do MaxMoo but in my opinion, you took that post to a religious extreme. That was the most religious bubble minded editing job I have seen in a while, and the kind of people that do stuff like this are the kind of people I try and avoid in person. I don't really mean any offence but that was just way too over the top. It reminded me of watching those religious stations on TV where people take something they cannot even know (not say) is 100% true so seriously that they devote their lives to it. Do these ideas envelop the mind so much that they become reality to some people? I imagine you could keep some people in a test environment convinced in the existence of the Easter Bunny for their entire life, without the person ever seeing physical evidence that a giant bunny is delivering baskets in hidden places around their home.

I know religion is a strong subject but that post by Whirling was so well put I just cannot see it trashed like that and keep quiet.

Well the first thing is, I am far from being a religious fanatic. In fact there is no religion that I know of that I believe in completely. It would be impossible to impose my beliefs on anyone, since I'm not totally sure what they are. Currently, I do believe in God/Jesus. I don't believe in the bible. I don't believe in Hell or the devil, but sometimes I look at thinks going on in the world and wonder if man alone can be that evil. It kind of sounds like your a little bubble minded if you only want to associate with people who believe the way you do. I also think what Whirls wrote was good, but it seemed to make human beings sound a little too negative. In my bubble I tend to surround myself with people who are positive, fun, caring, courteous, kind, hard working, generous etc.. I could care less if they believe in God or not. I do seem to notice that the more miserable, negative, depressed people usually don't believe in God.

I find it hard to believe that billions of years ago there was nothing. Then nothing exploded, the explosion created all matter and the laws of physics. Gases started spinning around forming stars and planets. Slime from various mixtures turned into us. What are the odds? I look at my family, friends, dog, trees, wildlife, ocean, sky, etc. and just get an overwhelming feeling that this was designed.
It all seems too good to have happened by accident. This probably sounds corny but, it's my opinion. OK the drugs are starting to ware off. Back to work. 

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Religion, and the Changing Moral Zeitgeist / Re: Ye Religion Thread

« on: October 06, 2006, 12:11:34 PM »

Forgive me Whirls for the plagiarism. I edited your post a little. It didn't comeout too bad. 

I've thought, for some time now, that not believing in God and heaven is really just wishful thinking.
It's a bi-product of the combination of the completely natural fear of all humans for things that they can not completely comprehend, and the realization that life may be infinite so if things are not going right for them now, there troubles may never end.
There is also a very good reason that there is a heaven-like concept that's central to almost all religion:
Any religion on this planet can be defined as man-made, since no one can prove that a god exists who "wrote them". But the interesting fact is that in all the various regions of the planet and in all the various ethnic groups, a similar belief developed. Almost like it a natural instinct. Which are usually correct.

These beliefs have persisted because, in spite of all of the technological innovations and much higher standard of living, people are happy about their situation and are not helpless to change it in a way that would make them truly happy in perpetuity. This is a trend based on the desire of people to be generous and helpful to one another.

People will be happy, by design, because we are animals with hardwired instincts that increase our ability to survive and breed. Generosity is a hardwired mechanism that makes us want to share things, like territory (for a constant source of food/shelter/safety), and breeding partners (to insure the passing of your genes). We are designed to always want to share more until we're dead. Happiness due to fulfilled wants, is actually a survival mechanism.

People are also one of few species that God gave the use of tools to get what they need/want. When faced with a problem, we make tools to solve it. Thus God gave us religion as a tool shortly after developing the ability to think and reason, because we found that we could be nearly incapacitated by this newfound ability to ponder the "what if's" and the "whys" unless we had reasons and answers to these questions. We "need" to have answers otherwise we'd become incredibly depressed with our inability to control/understand our surroundings. Depression makes for a very poor breeding specimen and a very weak hunter and is quite unacceptable if you want to survive in the wild.

The reason that many religions have the same core values wrapped in slightly different packages, is that God gave humans the same basic free will, and understanding of good versus evil. Not believing in God is the crutch that props up the minds of people who "need" a reason for things to be the way they are in order to function without being overcome by something they can not comprehend. It is also used as justification for acts that a person might not consider morally acceptable in any other situation. I found the majority of non "pious" people are really just more adept at fooling themselves than most, and they often assume to have all the answers or at least access to them thru a science.

Simple acceptance that we are powerless to change the universe around us to the degree that we would like to, and that we will someday be capable of understanding it's nuances, would be profoundly more useful to the species than denying God.  God will explain the things that we can't figure out, without us creating the illusion of control.

Unfortunately, it would be a lot harder, to accept that the world is not under our control no matter how much faith we have. And people like to take the easy way out and deny God