Are we ready to switch all tourney servers to OpenTDM?

[console]

GREETINGS AND SALUTATIONS

Got some feedback about OpenTDM... These discussions took place in different windows, so I'm going to just sort of interleave them so they hopefully make sense:

[22:12] <EG|DaHanG> <EG|DaHanG> can you enable votes during game
[22:12] <EG|DaHanG> <EG|DaHanG> and cap # of players per team at 4

[22:27] <R1CH> well captain can lock teams when they are "full"
[22:27] <R1CH> i don't see why there needs to be a fixed limit

[22:32] <EG|DaHanG> which is perfectly fine if everybody knows what they're doing
[22:32] <EG|DaHanG> then you get into a pointless 5 minute delay about who should sit
[22:32] <EG|DaHanG> instead of just first come first serve
[22:32] <EG|DaHanG> 5v5 is NEVER used
[22:32] <quadz> ah
[22:33] <EG|DaHanG> it's 100% a delay maker

[22:27] <R1CH> mid-game voting is a little trickier since opentdm refreshes the map after a vote finishes
[22:27] <R1CH> maybe for timelimit only?

[22:55] <quadz> regarding mid-game voting... what would be an example of something that would tend to be voted on?  timelimit ?

[23:03] <EG|DaHanG> primarily restart
[23:03] <EG|DaHanG> but timelimit too

So . . . .

It sounds like, if the mid-game voting can be limited to 'restart' and 'timelimit', maybe these features are pretty doable...?


P.S. DaHanG also points out that rail as the default weapon during warmup would be preferred, because "rail = get used to ping".


Regards,

[ni-ux]

You're kidding right? OpenTDM is TERRIBLE.  No proper voting, no proper GXMOD free style team creation.  It has all the bad aspects of tourney, with none of the good.

 Are we ready to adopt inferior shitty software?  NO.
 Are we ready to get RID of this crap once and for all? YES.

[R1CH]

Define "proper" voting? Define "free style team creation"? I can't improve things if all you do is go "well it sucks gxmod/osp/battle is better".

[ni-ux]

Define "proper" voting? Define "free style team creation"? I can't improve things if all you do is go "well it sucks gxmod/osp/battle is better".

No voting in-game, no simple "team asdf" -> creates a team called asdf and joins.  Why are there shitty pre-existing teams? That's one of the worst parts of OSP is that there are already pre-defined teams.

There's just no reason to change from tourney unless we're moving to something BETTER, not some piece of shit half completed mod.

I mean, ok, lets all chip in (pun intended) on some cookies for you, you made a q2 mod, yay!  Now go back to writing screensavers or something?  If you really want to establish a TDM mod then emulate gxmod but get rid of the problems like buggy maps without server restart, etc...

[console]

Define "proper" voting? Define "free style team creation"? I can't improve things if all you do is go "well it sucks gxmod/osp/battle is better".

I'd like to add that, it may be possible that the things that are "terrible" about OpenTDM right now, may actually be relatively easy to fix... So please do take the time to articulate HOW you would like it to work.

The closed source nature of OSP has been a thorn in the side of admins for too long.  An open source TDM mod would benefit the Q2 community.  We may not be far away from having something that people like--if they would just be specific about what should be changed.

Thanks!

quadz

[ni-ux]

Define "proper" voting? Define "free style team creation"? I can't improve things if all you do is go "well it sucks gxmod/osp/battle is better".

I'd like to add that, it may be possible that the things that are "terrible" about OpenTDM right now, may actually be relatively easy to fix... So please do take the time to articulate HOW you would like it to work.

The closed source nature of OSP has been a thorn in the side of admins for too long.  An open source TDM mod would benefit the Q2 community.  We may not be far away from having something that people like--if they would just be specific about what should be changed.

Thanks!

quadz

Right, but it's a thorn that MUST remain.

[console]

Right, but it's a thorn that MUST remain.

Why?  In your previous post you already pointed out "one of the worst parts of OSP".  Here we actually have the opportunity to, for example, take the BEST of gxmod and OSP.  And wind up with an open source mod that's got the best of both, and the actual ability to fix bugs in the goddamn thing (I'm sick of the map crashing bugs in OSP.)

There's no reason to be stuck with the "worst parts of OSP" when right here we have the opportunity to talk about how to make it better.

Regards,

[ni-ux]

Right, but it's a thorn that MUST remain.

Why?  In your previous post you already pointed out "one of the worst parts of OSP".  Here we actually have the opportunity to, for example, take the BEST of gxmod and OSP.  And wind up with an open source mod that's got the best of both, and the actual ability to fix bugs in the goddamn thing (I'm sick of the map crashing bugs in OSP.)

There's no reason to be stuck with the "worst parts of OSP" when right here we have the opportunity to talk about how to make it better.

Regards,

You're missing the point entirely, cease work on the travesty that is OpenTDM, remove it from all servers, and come back to reality while you still can .

[console]

You're missing the point entirely, cease work on the travesty that is OpenTDM, remove it from all servers, and come back to reality while you still can .

My reality is i'm sick of OSP's bugs and I'm looking forward to it going away.

I thought you had some coding experience.  Am I mistaken?  I don't see why a coder would act like there's some major gulf between OpenTDM and {OSP, gxmod} that can't be closed with a little programming, given a target featureset.

What features of {OSP, gxmod} are so hard to code that OpenTDM should be abandoned?

[Theo]

Tourney OSP is the best. I have used it for a long time in my servers and I'll continue using it. The score board is better, the vote options are better, the voting menu is very well made, easier to use than that in OpenTDM, the menu layout is better...

In fact the main thing that has to be fixed is the menus. What's that, to type 'commands' in console? I could just press Help in the menu of OSP Tourney or Battle Mod, and vote easier in a menu. It's more convenient!

When OpenTDM is fully completed and better than OSP, I guess then it'll be smarter to switch it.

[adrenal1ne]

opentdm = 

[ni-ux]

Tourney OSP is the best. I have used it for a long time in my servers and I'll continue using it. The score board is better, the vote options are better, the voting menu is very well made, easier to use than that in OpenTDM, the menu layout is better...

In fact the main thing that has to be fixed is the menus. What's that, to type 'commands' in console? I could just press Help in the menu of OSP Tourney or Battle Mod, and vote easier in a menu. It's more convenient!

When OpenTDM is fully completed and better than OSP, I guess then it'll be smarter to switch it.

There shouldn't even be a menu system, everything should be done via commands, and if you need to know how to vote, etc... then you can type help or something.

[haunted]

I think I already mentioned the 'team anything' creation style.. or at least suggested it in irc. gxmod imo was the best, if only the sounds weren't fucked up sometimes. There should be both a list of commands and a menu.

[Theo]

Tourney OSP is the best. I have used it for a long time in my servers and I'll continue using it. The score board is better, the vote options are better, the voting menu is very well made, easier to use than that in OpenTDM, the menu layout is better...

In fact the main thing that has to be fixed is the menus. What's that, to type 'commands' in console? I could just press Help in the menu of OSP Tourney or Battle Mod, and vote easier in a menu. It's more convenient!

When OpenTDM is fully completed and better than OSP, I guess then it'll be smarter to switch it.

There shouldn't even be a menu system, everything should be done via commands, and if you need to know how to vote, etc... then you can type help or something.

Why shouldn't there be a menu system? To make navigating harder? Come on!

[haunted]

the menu should be there for total new comers, however I definitely find it easier to navigate by knowing a set list of cmds