Duplicate Times --- Being Deleted

[console]

The only thing to understand is that Haunted is the supreme ruler of this forum section and jumpmod.

THIS IS A TEST OF THE ARBITRARY INEQUALITY ADMIN SYSTEM
T H I S   I S   O N L Y   A   T E S T

 > suspend haunted admin 30 seconds
 > Tue Oct 10 2006 14:26:27 - event: jumpmod admin removed (haunted)
 > Tue Oct 10 2006 14:26:57 - event: jumpmod admin added (haunted)

THIS HAS BEEN A TEST OF THE ARBITRARY INEQUALITY ADMIN SYSTEM
T H A N K   Y O U

[haunted]

You only did that because Haunted allowed you to do so. 

[us/3r]

I find it fair for boat to do so. He's putting up top scores that can't be beat. If you can't beat them then your name doesn't go up there. Simple. I don't think it's fair of you to delete his scores. Pretty childish way out.

This was you first argument, and you haven't changed you stance at all so I'll respond to it.

If the world were to follow your logic there would be no need for a top 10, because all 10 would be the same person.  1 is always better than 2, and therefore 1 should also occupy the 2 spot, etc, ad nauseum.

Another example would be the olympics.  Obviously the Gold medal winner put up a better score than anyone else, so he won.  But since his score is better than #2, he should also get the silver medal, and the bronze, since his score will always be better than anyone else's, until someone beats him, and then that person should get all the medals - ever.

What you're doing is combining Personal records with Global records.  The difference is this: For Personal rankings you get to keep your best time.  You may put up other times that are close, but there is always your personal best, so you are competing against yourself.  For Global rankings you're competing against other people, so your personal best is compared with all others personal best.  The person with the best personal best gets the number 1 slot, the person with the 2nd best personal best gets the #2 slot.

This is reflected in the code of the ranking systems, since they are designed to compare only the best times per player name.  True, they should have used MAC addresses or something like, but that would require quite a bit more technical knowledge, and seemed unecessary in that the spirit of the game is to compete against yourself and others, not change your name to counter the spirit of the competition.

Anyone who would do such a thing is obviously suffering from a malnourished ego, in that to maintain their ego they must feel superior, and they lack superiority in other aspects of their life, and will act in a manner which is over-the-top in 1 aspect of their lives to satiate the level they believe their ego should be maintained at. 

So that being said, how exactly can you argue that if people can't beat the times they shouldn't be on the scoreboard, when the scoreboard is meant to reflect global statistics, not personal statistics.  Who cares what boat's 10 best times were?  1 is sufficient for the purposes of rankings, someone purposely grabbing more slots to "prove" their superiority goes completely against the spirit of the game, and had the original coders thought that people would do something like this, I'm quite sure they would have implemented more stringent policies toward name/ranking associations.

For your second point, that it's not fair to delete his scores: How is it fair that he gets to record his 10 best times, why can't I record mine?  Because the spirit of the design was to record your personal best.  There is no need to record the time of every trial of the map.

Think of it like this:  You get 30 frags on a map, 2nd place got 15, etc....on down to 10.  Why do they even display anyone who didn't get 30?

So that's why he's getting his scores (except for his BEST time) deleted, and yes it is fair in the spirit of both the game, and competition in general.

[jägermonsta]

blah blah blah...

To some up a response to your long read, which I did not bother to read because again somebody is missing the point.

This is a video game. Ever play a arcade game or a pinball machine? I am stuck on that type of scoring of high scores.

TOP 6 HIGH SCORES!

FUK 1010PTS
FUK 1000PTS
FAQ 980PTS
SUX 800PTS
FUK 795PTS
BIG 790PTS

So say 'FUK' got a score of 900... that would push BIG off the high score list and put FUK between FAQ and SUX.


FUK 1010PTS
FUK 1000PTS
FAQ 980PTS
FUK 900PTS
SUX 800PTS
FUK 795PTS

If FUK wanted to... he could get a scores between 981 and 1000 and push everyone but himself off the high score list.

FUK 1010PTS
FUK 1000PTS
FUK 995PTS
FUK 990PTS
FUK 985PTS
FUK 981PTS

That's how high scores in most video games work. The jumpmod apprently doesn't want that to happen so it only allows your name on the high score list one time. b0at found a way around that. Like it or not though, his scores are the best and if you could beat them, you would be able to push his names off the list. Instead you wuss out and delete his scores. /shrug

[[BTF] Reflex]

man,  FUK's good. NOONE can beat a good FUK 

[Disco Karate]

This actually opens up some interesting debate on the nature of what should be allowed and accepted.

[Cancer]

Okay haunted good explanation.. I deleted the ones that i new were bullshit.. :-)

Now for basic I fully agree with what you have said.. I ask nookie "Do you think its fair for a l33t player to time a map on 10 diffrnet names to spam the score bored?"

Nookies responce was "No! its not fair at all."

I will continue to ask the l33t jumper the same question... Most will respond like nookie did.

[Homeslice]

tasteyspleen jumpmod is screwed up. there used to be good and interesting people who played it all the time, in the last couple of months all that there has been is people going there just to spam. it used to be really fun, people always helped every one else do the jumps. only people that play now are basic and critter. sucks that no one plays any more. it was alot more fun back then. the fights were ownage. every one used to get bord of a map and start fights, we all thought that was fun and it was. there used to be alot of good people that played. i would nearly shit my self when ever people got in to fights. no one back then plays any more. half the reason i played on tasteyspleen jumpmod was because of the really cool people that played. pritty boring now with all of these new people just going there to spam. all of a sudden one day all of the old people quit and all of these spammers join, pritty wierd. wish it was like the old days...


                                             

[Bleach]

i would nearly shit my self when ever people got in to fights

dont ever say goto dm

[salamander]

tasteyspleen jumpmod is screwed up. there used to be good and interesting people who played it all the time, in the last couple of months all that there has been is people going there just to spam. it used to be really fun, people always helped every one else do the jumps. only people that play now are basic and critter. sucks that no one plays any more. it was alot more fun back then. the fights were ownage. every one used to get bord of a map and start fights, we all thought that was fun and it was. there used to be alot of good people that played. i would nearly shit my self when ever people got in to fights. no one back then plays any more. half the reason i played on tasteyspleen jumpmod was because of the really cool people that played. pritty boring now with all of these new people just going there to spam. all of a sudden one day all of the old people quit and all of these spammers join, pritty wierd. wish it was like the old days...
 

Homeslice,
  I would completely agree with you on this post. I've stopped playing during the day. I play once every couple of nights now. I can't come into the server w/o seeing "wetarded" up to his same old tricks. I won't go into details here, as  not to hijack the thread, but you're right. If the kids are allowed to spam and mapvote, they will eventually run everyone off.

[salamander]

 b0at found a way around that. Like it or not though, his scores are the best and if you could beat them, you would be able to push his names off the list. Instead you wuss out and delete his scores. /shrug

So are we saying Kudos to b0at for finding a way around that? Let's say I found a way to exploit a map, are we going to give Kudos to me for cheating? I have to agree with Basic or Crit, not sure who said it, but where do we draw the line and stick to some sort of rules? We've already let several of the under 14 y/o's run everyone off, when does someone start drawing the line and enforce some rulesets? Again, this really doesn't affect you, so I'm  not so sure why you give 2 shits?  If you cared to stop in on the jump server daily, then I might see where you had a valid concern. Can you voice your opinion? Sure. Or do you post just to annoy others that are actually trying to make things happen?
 I for one volunteered to clean things up, stuff behind the scenes, you know things that are lesser maintained and my voice fell on deaf ears...

[jägermonsta]

So are we saying Kudos to b0at for finding a way around that? Let's say I found a way to exploit a map, are we going to give Kudos to me for cheating?

Totally different and I'll tell you why.

b0at isn't cheating to get the high scores. If he can get 15 high scores nobody can beat then I believe he should be able to hold all 15 spots on the high score list. He earned it. Once you get that good, then you can challenge b0at and play for the high scores.

Again, this really doesn't affect you, so I'm  not so sure why you give 2 shits?  If you cared to stop in on the jump server daily, then I might see where you had a valid concern. Can you voice your opinion? Sure. Or do you post just to annoy others that are actually trying to make things happen?

I am only voicing my opinion on the topic of deleting unbeatable highscores that a player achieved through their incredible talent at playing the game. Whether I play the game or not is irrelevant.

[us/3r]

blah blah blah...

To some up a response to your long read , which I did not bother to read because again somebody is missing the point.

I couldn't agree more.
Oh...and if you didn't bother to read it, why are you responding to it like you did?

And again means "another time", as in repetitively, and I didn't miss your point at all, this being the first time I've responded to it.  I wrote a big long post about how it's wrong.  Did you happen to catch it?

So, personal sniping out of the way  Why don't we go over it again?  I'll try to keep it short for the less literate and A.D.D. sufferers out there... (okay that was the last one, I swear)

This is a video game. Ever play a arcade game or a pinball machine? I am stuck on that type of scoring of high scores.

Well I'm glad you like to keep the classics alive, however this is not pinball....I think someone did a pinball mod, but I've never played it.  This is about JumpMod, which is a mod written by someone - and hence the rules that are implied by the code are the ones that we'll be using, matey.  That means that no other rule sets apply, unless someone has the ability to change the code to reflect the new rules....which most people don't.

Short Version: No one gives a flying monkey turd what you're stuck on, you didn't write the mod, so go blow on your thumb. (okay that's totally the last one, I swear)

That's how high scores in most video games work.

So, do you have the high score in MOST video games?  Or is that MOST video games you play?  Or is that MOST video games that you've never heard of?  Sorry, ambiguous qualifiers win you nothing mon amis. I can't even count how many games don't fall into this stereo-type, so no go.

Short Version: Stop making crap up. (Seriously, last one)

The jumpmod apprently doesn't want that to happen so it only allows your name on the high score list one time.

So here you admit that the rules of this particular game (which apparently isn't MOST games) aren't what you're used to, and as such you admit that you disagree with the scoring system of JumpMod - which is your right to do.  Of course you're welcome to write your own version and laugh in the face of the guys who developed this version....but that would be hard, right? 
But the main point here is that you admit that the scoring system in JumpMod isn't like your MOST video game, whatever that is.

Short Version: Wha?  A game that doesn't fit into your idea of what the high score list should look like?  WTF!??! (okay I may have a few more)

b0at found a way around that.

So, what you're saying is that a player found a way to exploit the system in order to take advantage of it in a way unintended by the people who came up with it. 
And to top it off he did it without permission from the people who happen to be running the server, and thus caused them some trouble in the way of having to clean up his mess. 
So what you're really saying is that you condone exploiting (or cheating if you like) so long as it fits into your idea of what the game should conform to? 
Well...sorry, but video games are good because they have rules.  While it's sometimes fun to try to break something to see what you can do, ultimately the challenge of the game is to be the best within the set of rules supplied to you.  If you go outside the rules then you're not competing in the game anymore, and you have no right to be anywhere on the ranking's list. 

What b0at did was expose a hole in the code that would allow the same connection to occupy multiple ranks.  It's a bug.  It should be fixed so that people don't try to take advantage of it.  If b0at was any kind of person, then he would have found the bug, reported it to the admin, and never used it or abused it again.  But that's not what he did, is it?

Short Version: Yeah, it's called cheating.  It lets you do whatever you want without worrying about the rules of the game.(See?  I stopped...)

Like it or not though, his scores are the best and if you could beat them, you would be able to push his names off the list.

His scores are better than mine, but I've seen better elsewhere.  The sad fact is that the better jumpers I've seen don't come here, they don't like the atmosphere.  To be the best of the worst is a dubious distinction, and he gets that prize only in the immaturity ranking, because Ax2Grind is #1 on ts.jumpmod last I checked, and guys like n00k13 show up and get #1 at will, b0at or no b0at on the top of the list.

Short Version: Being the best whiner/cheater means crap to me or anyone else.

Instead you wuss out and delete his scores. /shrug

Well...I didn't delete his scores, so I dunno why you directed that at me.  And "wussing out" has nothing to do with it.  I've never complained once about getting beat.  He gets his scores deleted because he's not willing to play by the rules of the game.  It's just that simple.  If he had put them up in a legitimate way, there wouldn't even be a problem. 

Short Version: All you're doing is arguing that it's okay to cheat, as long as you do it better than everyone else.  Personally, I dun care if everyone else cheats, but I'm not gonna, and I don't think that my scores should be compared to theirs, because we're really playing 2 different games.  jerkwad (okay, that was the last one)

[[BTF] Reflex]

this is kinda fun

 What if a person had 2 or 3 aliases?

[haunted]

There is no method of scoring other than Haunted's way. Haunted says delete the obvious ones such as b0at1-# and leave the rest so everyone is happy. Case closed.