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« Reply #2460 on: August 02, 2009, 01:01:43 PM »
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Opposition leaders condemn Iranian 'show trials'
Opposition leaders condemn Iranian 'show trials'

Iran's opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi and the former reformist president Mohammed Khatami have signalled continuing defiance by denouncing "show trials" of politicians and activists charged with fomenting unrest after the disputed election. Both men today lambasted the Tehran regime for using forced confessions to accuse senior opposition figures of "acting against national security" and "conspiring with foreign powers to stage a velvet revolution".
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Other high-profile figures in court included former deputy foreign minister Mohsen Aminzadeh, former government spokesman Abdollah Ramazanzadeh, former MP Mohsen Mirdamadi, former industry minister Behzad Nabavi and the commentator Mohammed Atrianfar. They face a maximum jail term of five years if convicted, unless they are charged with being a "mohareb" or enemy of God, which can carry the death penalty.

"Enemy of God", how absurd. :raincloud:

Even if one believed in god, isn't this supposed to be an all-powerful entity?  In what possible sense could a mammal constitute a threat to the creator of the universe?

Bah.

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« Reply #2461 on: August 02, 2009, 09:41:28 PM »
The term enemy of god means something else other than what you're saying.

Although enemy of god in this case, should be switched to mean enemy of current political powers.

However, were the elections reallly bullshit?  I'm inclinded to think they were; it seems the Iranian's agree.

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« Reply #2462 on: August 02, 2009, 10:09:30 PM »
Although enemy of god in this case, should be switched to mean enemy of current political powers.

Of course.

And not just in this case, but all cases.


The term enemy of god means something else other than what you're saying.

No.  I'm saying it's a stupid term.

Even if you believe in god, if god created the universe, god doesn't need any help from any infinitesimally small mammals.

If every mammal on this tiny planet believed "god doesn't exist", or believed "god sucks ass", so what?

The term 'enemy of god' implies that some mammal whose brain's neurons are firing in opposition to "god's plan" is somehow a blip on the radar of the Creator of the Universe. 

It's an absurdity that can only be entertained in the minds of people who have invented a concept of god in which they themselves play a starring role.

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« Reply #2463 on: August 02, 2009, 10:54:58 PM »
I believe the term "enemy of god" means something else than you do.

Just as there were dinasaurs but nothing of purpose, now there is, and it's god's purpose.  People in opposition to this purpose are enemies of god.
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« Reply #2464 on: August 02, 2009, 11:38:12 PM »
I believe the term "enemy of god" means something else than you do.

Whatever you specifically mean (feel free to elaborate), I'll wager your definition still falls under the umbrella of the whole category of 'enemy of god' concepts which I claim are patently absurd.


Just as there were dinasaurs but nothing of purpose

You claim to know the mind of god?  How?


now there is, and it's god's purpose.

Again, this fits the description of an invented concept of god which appears to place humans at the center of "god's purpose".  Says who?


People in opposition to this purpose are enemies of god.

Are you not able to imagine creating your own universe?  I used to do this repeatedly as a kid while bored in church.

If I create a universe, there's no way some specks of creatures on an insignificant planet circling one of billions of stars in an unremarkable galaxy, out of billions of galaxies, have any damn effect on the will or purpose of the creator of this universe.

"Enemies of god" my ass.


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« Reply #2465 on: August 03, 2009, 06:04:43 AM »
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« Reply #2466 on: August 04, 2009, 07:56:17 PM »
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« Reply #2467 on: August 07, 2009, 01:23:19 PM »
In this morning's paper...

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Climate change spurring Swiss to rethink vow

GENEVA – Villagers from deeply Roman Catholic south Switzerland have for centuries offered a sacred vow to God to protect them from the advancing ice mass of the Great Aletsch glacier.

Global warming is making them want to reverse their prayers, and the Alpine faithful are seeking the permission of the pope to do so.


Since the vow was established in 1678, the deal was simple: The citizens of the isolated mountain hamlets of Fiesch and Fieschertal would pledge to lead virtuous lives. In exchange, God would spare their homes and livelihoods from being swallowed by Europe's largest glacier as it expanded toward the valley with heavy winter snows.

“We all know – and the Holy Father reminded us in his Easter message – that an unprecedented change in the climate is taking place,” the Rev. Pascal Venetz said in his sermon to 100 people at the chapel, where until modern times pious women were prohibited from wearing colored underwear for fear of provoking the glacier.
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Venetz said there were “countless, horrible natural catastrophes” in his parish from the 17th to the 19th centuries as the glacier expanded. “These led to the big volumes of water with floods that brought great damage and calamity in our villages,” he said.

“Praying should of course continue, because our villages should be spared from natural catastrophes,” Venetz said in his sermon. “We should at the same time pray that our glacier does not melt any further, but instead grows, and that the most important thing in life – water – remains well preserved.”


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« Reply #2468 on: August 07, 2009, 02:29:10 PM »
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« Reply #2469 on: August 11, 2009, 10:29:56 AM »
How does god have enemies?..and if you decide to answer this somehow, please enlighten me on how one knows that someone is an enemy of god? I am simply dying to know.


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« Reply #2470 on: August 16, 2009, 09:01:57 AM »
What is preventing a Steph King IT like creature from evolving on another planet?  Lack of an interface into the brain? It's to complicated?  Maybe there could be a more advanced creature, using tools to create fear.  Or is it because, IT, is an enemy of god?  IT would by definition be an "enemy of god" if god is good.

Evil is going to evolve if there's nothing stopping it, and the conditions on another planet and interfaces into the brain will vary.  What do we know about brains on other planets, and that there might be vast networks of individual creatures communicating as a species.  Then there could be a competing species that is similar with their own interconnected systems of neural networks, and they go on to enter into the other species system.  To complicated?  Life here is pretty complicated, you've got plenty of other planets to give it a shot.

I don't consider the vast things animals do evil, maybe fucked up, but people seem  to have "taken the cake" there.  On another planet with a similar creature to IT, there would be evil, and not like what we see here.  Without something concerened with good and evil, there is nothing stopping this evolution. 

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There is a big difference between dinasaurs and people, so nothing, then all of a sudden a world created for people.


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« Reply #2471 on: August 16, 2009, 10:06:49 AM »
What is preventing a Steph King IT like creature from evolving on another planet?  Lack of an interface into the brain? It's to complicated?  Maybe it could be a more advanced creature, using those tools as an aid. Or is it because, IT, is an enemy of god?

Evil is going to evolve if there's nothing stopping it, and the conditions on another planet and interfaces into the brain will vary.  I don't consider the vast things animals do evil, maybe fucked up, but people have seem to "take the cake" there.  On another planet with a similar creature to IT could be evil, and not like what we see here.  Without something concerened with good and evil, there is nothing stopping this evolution. 

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There is a big difference between dinasaurs and people, so nothing, then all of a sudden a world created for people.


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« Reply #2472 on: August 16, 2009, 10:28:03 AM »
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« Reply #2473 on: August 16, 2009, 10:51:22 AM »
I just find it lame that you are actually trying to use evolution as a way to support your point. It's just a tad hypocritical.

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« Reply #2474 on: August 16, 2009, 03:26:39 PM »
What is preventing a Steph King IT like creature from evolving on another planet?  Lack of an interface into the brain? It's to complicated?  Maybe there could be a more advanced creature, using tools to create fear.  Or is it because, IT, is an enemy of god?  IT would by definition be an "enemy of god" if god is good.

Evil is going to evolve if there's nothing stopping it, and the conditions on another planet and interfaces into the brain will vary.  What do we know about brains on other planets, and that there might be vast networks of individual creatures communicating as a species.  Then there could be a competing species that is similar with their own interconnected systems of neural networks, and they go on to enter into the other species system.  To complicated?  Life here is pretty complicated, you've got plenty of other planets to give it a shot.

I don't consider the vast things animals do evil, maybe fucked up, but people seem  to have "taken the cake" there.  On another planet with a similar creature to IT, there would be evil, and not like what we see here.  Without something concerened with good and evil, there is nothing stopping this evolution. 

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There is a big difference between dinasaurs and people, so nothing, then all of a sudden a world created for people.


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Well god damn. This is a pointless debate. "Good" and "evil" depends on the person defining those terms. As far as I'm concerned, "good" is what you like, "evil" is what you don't like.
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