Campers..To Camp or not to Camp..that is the ?

[QuakeDuke]

i just shoot at whatever i see moves.
 

AJ,

Does this mean you won't shoot me ifn I stand still..???
A'right.. I gonna hold you to that

QD

[QuakeDuke]

 Now, I like to camp like I did the other day - Sloan likes to sit up on top of a box on one map (don't ask *me* which one) and rail everyone tryin to get the rail - so I just found the spawn point where he spawned 70% of the time and just set there. Someone else was on another point where he was spawning and doin the same... shudda heard him holler

Now that kind of campin is FUN....

QD

[applejacks]

hehe if you actually stand still  i have a hard time hitting you
im so used to the dial up ways of leading ..once you find the lead on the connection your on..its the sweet spot..
even now i still lead..but its more like prediction of where your going to be. usually if you stand still ill just hit the air beside you heheheh

[{TNP}Dukie]

hehe if you actually stand still  i have a hard time hitting you
im so used to the dial up ways of leading ..once you find the lead on the connection your on..its the sweet spot..
even now i still lead..but its more like prediction of where your going to be. usually if you stand still ill just hit the air beside you heheheh

Hmm... I think I experienced this very same thing the other day when you were jumping up in down in one place in front of me!

I'm firing where I think you are gonna jump  :shock:

[spikeq2]

Hey aj, i know exactly what you mean as far as not being able to hit stationary objects... i also lead most of my shots as well and try to shoot anything i see move so when i come across someone whos standing still i will shoot to the right of them 90% of the time lol

[MaJiKSluG>FAS>]

in response to art- no there arent people waiting to connect to my server at all hours, that point is moot- that is it bears no impact on the debate.  my server is typically populated by my clanmates and people i or we have given the ip to because they enjoy the same type of play we like.  these people are mostly ones who have played for eons as i have, or noobs we take under our wing to show our style of game play and give tips on improvement.  our servers were never public for good reason, we like to keep the riff raff away.  most everyone that plays there is over 30 and has overcome the urge to act either too cool for school or spastic due to their surging testoterone levels. give >FAS>Central a try sometime  

[Matster]

I can usually hit stationary objects...its the people that walk around that I miss alot...im used to people running in fear...so when they just walk...I have to adjust And sometimes I cant hit a damn thing moving or not !

As far as Majik's server Id like to try it out some time

[MaJiKSluG>FAS>]

here are 2 -
68.10.184.212:27911 - this server may be laggy until friday (line will be fixed)
206.186.168.82:27910

[Art]

MaJiKSluG,

Xquake is purely a public server. Yours is for clan members and private invites, and is semi-private. Xquake tries to have something for everyone, no matter what the playing style. Yours is for the players that hold others to certain standards and ethics. Both have a purpose and a place... both are needed. I think the Xquake players that whine about camping and such, ought to play at one of your servers if they don't like it. Freedom of choice is a great thing, eh? Now of course, this is just my opinion and if I've got it wrong, please correct me.  

I'm heading over to one of the servers you listed right after this post.  

[Punk_FAS.old]

Some other reasons that the FAS servers wouldn't be as popular as Xquake.  For one, the hardware for the FAS servers, both of them, I'm presuming is vastly inferior to the ones at Xquake.  Both of the FAS servers are on your typical home-user connections, like cable or DSL.  Both also shared with at least one other computer in that house.  

I detest lag, and get all gushy inside when I find a server that runs very smoothly.  The FAS servers don't run too well for me, and for that reason, I don't seek to play on them that much.  Xquake usually runs really nice, but I'm not crazy about the non dm1-dm8 maps, so I don't play there often.

Also, the FAS servers haven't been around for nearly as long as the Xquake server has I don't believe.  I don't think the FAS servers will ever be as popular as the Xquake server, for the above two reasons, and probably some more that I'm not willing to take the time to think about just yet =)

Anyway, as for campers, I do find spawn camping quite annoying at times.  I enjoy competition in Quake 2 games, it's fun racing another skilled player to the fraglimit for a map.  What can totally ruin the enjoyment of that competition, is being in a close game, dying, and getting spawn raped like 5 or 6 times in a row (this was horribly bad on servers with auto-respawn), thus losing yourself valuable frag time and most likely that map win.

I myself never camp, or at least 99.99% of the time I don't.  On rare occasions, if I'm playing on a server with mostly newbies, I'll do some stuff to keep it somewhat entertaining.  Like on DM8 the other day, I was really getting a kick out of this.  Forget what server it was on, but there were just like 4 or 5 people on the map at this time, none of them much of a challenge for me conventionally.  Well, this one guy kept trying to get the BFG by going up on the boxes.  I must have jumped on his head about 8 or more times, and squished him, while he was trying to make it there.  For those that don't know, if someone stands on your head while you're trying to ride the boxes UP to the BFG, you get squished.  I swear, this guy just never realized what was up, so that in a sense was camping, as I was waiting there for him and only him =P

I don't camp though, because I want to become a better player, for me that's a good feeling.  I know I could "win" more games if I camped, but unconditional winning is easy, and easy doesn't = fun for me.  If I stick to my guns (no pun intended), and play a clean game, and don't camp etc., then I generally can be assured that I won not because I had greater kill opportunities than my closest opponent via spawn camping, but because I played more skillfully than anybody else that map.  And a win like that is the most rewarding for me.  And yes, I still have a lot of fun doing it.

Another thing, is that not camping, killing the conventional way, requires a LOT more concentration I'd have to presume.  Spawn camping you have one single thing to focus on, reaction time.  So if you have low ping, and a railgun, you've already got the perfect aim if you're shooting a pad spawn.  All you have to develop is the ability to recognize someone has spawned, and to push your little mouse button.  The way I play, you have to learn mouse control, timing, when to use what weapon, movement - both getting around the map, using jumps for shortcuts, bunny-hopping for speed, and defensive movements like dodging rokets, and making yourself harder to hit with rail, super shotgun, and other skills that you have to work on, and only improve with time/practice.

THE END

[Slikkster]

Who cares about campers?  You never hear me complain about them (heheh)  

Seriously, though, they are part of the game, for sure, but so is calling them out and giving them a bitchslap.  Obviously people who do it feel ethically challenged about it, because they usually retort with something like "whiner!" when you call them out.  So, camping must be a derogatory term even in their mindset.

I agree with others that spawn camping is the worst.  And let's face it, how many times do you see Sloan crouched down facing a teleport pad and you just walk right up behind him and blow him to bits.   What a dope.
Entertaining, though.  heh heh

[{TNP}Dukie]

heh heh, sometimes while Sloan is crouched in front of a spwan pad, he must stop to pick his nose or something.
I can't tell you the number of times I've spwaned with sloan crouched right in front of me and he's left me enough time to scratch my ass and then frag him

he is one of the more entertaining acmpers though.

[Art]

I aggree with most everything punk said but ....

My point is that xquake is an ffa server. Lots of players come and go. I think when you start dictating what's right and wrong, as far as play style, language, etc ..  on a public ffa server, it's just lame. There are plenty of gx and other "specialty" servers up if you want a pure skill type game.

I've played on ffa servers in the past that censored your language and had anti-camping measures. They had very few people playing on them and didn't last long.

I would however be in favor of a 1 second spawn protect or so, like the tourney mod offers, providing it doen't interfere with gameplay (lag). Of course that mod is a piece of crap and induces lag. It runs very slow. Anyone remember when Mage Warehouse tried it ? It caused such awful gameplay, the server stayed empty most of the time untill they changed it back.

Yep, spawncampers can spoil certain aspects of the game, but weighing the good and bad of getting rid of them is a no brainer to me. I vote to keep Xquake like it is with the exception above, if possible.

[Hydro-cru]

server config mod can do the spawn thing as well, plus much more and is a good mod.  Funny thing is, xquake has changed ALOT from what it was, and is still changing from what I can see.

[Art]

Funny thing is, xquake has changed ALOT from what it was, and is still changing from what I can see.

Yes, but not in the way we are talking of.