remove dm5

[0rbisson]

Seeing dm4 is getting skipped for 4 or less players, i want the same thing for dm5. the map is absolute garbage and is even worse than dm4.

[Costigan_Q2]

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[RailWolf]

I have to chuckle at the Subject you decided to go with "remove dm5"

In another thread you said "Dm is dm1 to dm8." and "we want dm1 to dm8!"

[RailWolf]

The classic tastyspleen deathmatch server is gone.

It had high attendance and great popularity for very good reasons, all of them tried and tested.


If only the people in charge could just put things back the way they were in the summer of 2021 whilst keeping only the genuine fixes they've added and not the stuff that most people CLEARLY don't want and have little or no tolerance for - all of that will never happen though, the classic tastyspleen deathmatch server is gone.

I haven't been playing exclusively elsewhere for the past six months for no reason!


The only REAL problem was the lack of effort to discern and remove the most unpopular mymap maps, that's it!


Hey Unh0ly, remember that time you quickly put up a quadz-era version of the classic tastyspleen deathmatch server after the original went down for a while and it was instantly popular despite not even being fully configured properly?

You mean it has high attendance and great popularity for very good reasons. This is the same server as it was in summer 2021 but with some changes to mymap, which is what you describe as wanting just with different changes to mymap. In your proposed scenario it also is not "tastyspleen classic dm" if you're considering 'classic' to be how quadz left it.

Believe me I personally would prefer the dm server to stay the same as how he left it. I mocked the idea of putting tdm maps on the dm server, but I also kept an open mind as several people were suggesting them. We didn't just change the server for the sake of change, we received feedback and suggestions that we discussed and implemented. If you are not happy, I'm sorry. There are players who welcome this change. In fact I've only seen complaints from a small handful of people. I see way more people taking advantage of the changes than I see people complaining.

The server has seen changes before when things get stale or quadz added new features to the backend. One could argue which instance of changes would be THE classic dm haha . I think based on the circumstances though it is fair to call quadz's final iteration of the dm server classic dm. Do you want us to pull a coca-cola and make a dm-classic server. I could even revert the fixes I made to mymap so that panjoo can grief people again. In all seriousness I get where you're coming from, but the dm server isn't dead.
 
"I haven't been playing exclusively elsewhere for the past six months for no reason!" is kinda silly man come on lol... There's people that hop on just for the dm maps, and some people that hop on just for the mymaps. And some people don't mind either one. Have an open mind for the variety of people we have playing on dm and what they like. Frag and have fun!

 

[0rbisson]

I have to chuckle at the Subject you decided to go with "remove dm5"

In another thread you said "Dm is dm1 to dm8." and "we want dm1 to dm8!"

My point is if you are going to skip over a map simply due to low numbers then be consistent. Dm5 is absolutely feral and BTW why is tltf STILL in my map? IT NEEDS TO GO ASAP

[pepp5]

and BTW why is tltf STILL in my map?

Because some people like playing it? It's like music and songs - some people love a certain song, some people hate that same song.

tltf.bsp is clearly a long range rail-heavy map, favoring lower latency players. Higher latency players are going to be disadvantaged. 

Now hang on I have to go cruise around town in my rideshare car, playing music that some will like and others will not like.

(btw I agree with you on the dm5 player number skip)

[0rbisson]

Haha I just signed up for uber for a second job. What am I getting myself into?

[RailWolf]

Haha I just signed up for uber for a second job. What am I getting myself into?

you'll probably have to pick up something in tltf

[Costigan_Q2]

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[|iR|Focalor]

and BTW why is tltf STILL in my map?

tltf.bsp is clearly a long range rail-heavy map, favoring lower latency players. Higher latency players are going to be disadvantaged. 

I haven't played in many months, but when I did, I would attempt to go for the rail, but too many other people would be obsessed with it, often pitching themselves a tent on the rail platform and railing everyone as they're coming in. I found it much more effective to focus on using the chaingun to chew up the people in midair bouncing in predictable flight-paths from the 2nd tier to the 3rd tier.

Haha I just signed up for uber for a second job. What am I getting myself into?

Possibly a robbery. Head on a swivel and watch yer ass, dude. People are animals these days.

I really don't care, i'd be playing if i did.

 

You'd be replying if you did. Because you do.

Like you said...

You let yourself down there - if you're happy with your position on all of this then you shouldn't have bothered arguing it.

If everything and everyone here is so beneath you, then why linger like a fart?

[10zx]

I feel stupider reading this. 

[RailWolf]

I have to chuckle at the Subject you decided to go with "remove dm5"

In another thread you said "Dm is dm1 to dm8." and "we want dm1 to dm8!"

My point is if you are going to skip over a map simply due to low numbers then be consistent. Dm5 is absolutely feral and BTW why is tltf STILL in my map? IT NEEDS TO GO ASAP

Just to clarify as I've seen some confusion lately, the dm4 minclient skip is not a new change to the server and it has been set that way for over 7 years. There just wasn't a console message about it.

Some people probably don't remember it skipping dm4 when quadz was with us because they were never aware it was happening. Previously only admins received the Skipping message, but now I've tweaked it so the server can see. Sometimes a mymap gets skipped for not enough clients, and now it tells people why. I was getting reports that it was confusing sometimes. There was also an inconsistency with the minclient count that I cleaned up where quadz was implementing a sigmoid but it wasn't complete. That just added to the confusion for the players before I cleaned it up. Anyway, dm4 just happens to have a minclient setting too.

quadz first pushed the minclient feature to dm on 2015-10-03 and it included the 6 minclients for dm4. Logs are also showing it hasn't changed.

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2015-10-03 Sat 19:22:39 quadz: wf exec map_settings.cfg
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2015-10-03 Sat 19:22:40 wallfly: "maps/q2dm4/minclients" => 6
He mentioned the minclients feature a few months later on the forums: http://forum.tastyspleen.net/quake/index.php?topic=22190.msg219966#msg219966

[Costigan_Q2]

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[Sgt. Dick]

I have not played in a long time, but I was on of THOSE people who liked tltf