North Korea

[haunted]

Kim Jong un wants you to think that trump is antagonizing North Korea. He wants you to have the opinion "Trump should just leave Kim Jong Un alone". He wants you to be afraid, and for you to blame trump for it.

[|iR|Focalor]

Kim Jong un wants you to think that trump is antagonizing North Korea. He wants you to have the opinion "Trump should just leave Kim Jong Un alone". He wants you to be afraid, and for you to blame trump for it.

BINGO!

This asshole has been putting out anti-American propaganda since his fat lesbian looking daddy keeled over and left him the keys to the kingdom. Oh, and btw, his daddy made similar comments as well, especially in his later years. Before anyone had an idea that Trump was gonna run for President, North Korea put out a state video which prominently featured images of US government buildings exploding and burning. How easily you hipster liberal douchebags forget things.

Let's face it, some Americans are too pussy and "civilized" for their own good. It's kinda like... You got a crazy neighbor next door getting drunk and waving a gun around every weekend, and their interpretation of the situation is that EVERYONE ELSE is to blame and they should cool their shit and leave the poor guy alone because then he'll probably put the gun down and act right. Being tolerant of people's differences was fine and great when we were talking about "don't be racist". But these fucking vegan liberal safe space hipsters have lost touch with REALITY and gone completely overboard with this nonsense. Their own rose-tinted reality is the only one they are capable of perceiving. Meanwhile... here in the REAL WORLD... people are trying to fucking KILL US. The world is NOT as YOU MAKE IT, with conventional rules, and love and flowers. We appreciate the fact that you hipster douches wanna be dreamers and progressives and make the world a better place, but the fact of the matter is the world is always gonna operate on prison rules no matter what you do. Sometimes you gotta man up and fucking stab the one guy in the cell block that's trying to change the natural order of shit.

[2d]

But the fact of the matter is the world is always gonna operate on prison rules no matter what you do. Sometimes you gotta man up and fucking stab the one guy in the cell block that's trying to change the natural order of shit.

You madman, ROFL this is not prison rules. Nuking north korea would be the biggest disaster in human history, in world history, in universal history. We must do everything we can to change this man's mind or bring him into the league of nations rationally. millions of people, millions of unborn hang in the balance. 

[|iR|Focalor]

this is not prison rules. Nuking north korea would be the biggest disaster in human history, in world history, in universal history.

It absolutely IS. The reason why crazy necrophiliac serial killers don't run around with impunity is because it just so happens that the rest of us vastly outnumber them and we don't LET them get away with that shit. The reason why Genghis Khan conquested and took over most of Asia is because... HE COULD. The reason why Hitler annexed most of Europe with very little resistance is... because there was very little resistance. Fuck morality and the "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" bullshit. That's how people WISH the world worked, but it isn't how the world ACTUALLY works. You might wanna take a long and very objective look at a book like Might Is Right by Ragnar Redbeard.

But you should also acknowledge that I never stated that we should pre-emptively nuke North Korea. In fact, I've agreed by stating that it would be a BAD idea. (Nuclear fallout drifting to South Korea, Japan, China, etc, how the US would be perceived by the world for using a nuclear device again)

We must do everything we can to change this man's mind or bring him into the league of nations rationally. millions of people, millions of unborn hang in the balance. 

Spoken like a true skinny jeans wearing free range safe space ultra-democrat hipster. The Kim regime in North Korea is not rational AT ALL. You can't use conventional logic and reason to talk a truly crazy person out of killing a room full of hostages. They don't operate on a frequency capable of receiving that signal. They are like children. Do you have children or know anyone who does? Sometimes you see these new age hippy-dippy vegan parents in stores trying to use logic and reason and a calm voice to get their kids from bouncing off the walls and acting like complete holy terrors. Does it work? EVER? Fuck no. What works? When their mad-as-fuck big black mama backhands the living fuck outta her kid. Is it nice? Is it progressive? Is exactly how WE WANT the world to work? No. But god dammit, it fucking gets results. And that's why some people keep smacking the fuck outta their unruly kids. Can't deny it. Might is right.

[2d]

this is not prison rules. Nuking north korea would be the biggest disaster in human history, in world history, in universal history.

It absolutely IS.

But you should also acknowledge that I never stated that we should pre-emptively nuke North Korea. In fact, I've agreed by stating that it would be a BAD idea. (Nuclear fallout drifting to South Korea, Japan, China, etc, how the US would be perceived by the world for using a nuclear device again)


What works? When their mad-as-fuck big black mama backhands the living fuck outta her kid. Is it nice? Is it progressive? Is exactly how WE WANT the world to work? No. But god dammit, it fucking gets results. And that's why some people keep smacking the fuck outta their unruly kids. Can't deny it. Might is right.

You must be ok some fucking grand muskrat opiate or some shit rofl.
1. Advocation of prison rules to shank kim jong un
2. You are against a preemptive strike against north korea
3. You liken Kim Jong to an imbecile child that operates without reason
4. You advocate smacking Kim Jong like a big black mama would do because might is right

wtf??

What are you suggesting then? What does prison rules without a preemptive strike look like? What are you referring to with the big black mama slap lol.

[|iR|Focalor]

What does prison rules without a preemptive strike look like?

It looks like the exact position the US government is taking currently. Issuing stern warnings, letting Kim's actions piss off enough people in the cell block to incite a beatdown by the collective. The US might be a big shotcaller on the block, but a shotcaller without the support of the other old timers and heavy hitters on the block will not stay the shotcaller for long. I personally think that while China doesn't care if NK wipes Japan off the face of the earth... because China and Japan have hated each other for untold centuries... they would certainly not want anything to disrupt their economic relationship with the US. At some point China is gonna have to make a hard choice and pick a side. It makes all the sense in the world that they will NOT side with North Korea even though they are #1 communist, and #2 an effective buffer against the pro-American South Korea. Money trumps any philosophical alliance they might have with North Korea. China needs money WAY more than they need North Koreans. And unfortunately China is NOT going to make that decision until the final seconds before North Korea does something TRULY horrible. As I said before...

... no one's gonna do a fucking thing about North Korea until North Korea does some horrible shit to someone else first. THEY are gonna make the first move. Prepare your anus, to whoever that victim might be.

Seems like the most likely victim here would naturally be the people of South Korea. Bad thing is... they're stuck on the end of a peninsula. If people decide en mass that it's time to get the fuck outta Dodge, they're either gonna have to take a flight or a boat to another country. Not very convenient. But fuck, if I lived there... I would USED TO live there.

And yes, I certainly would characterize Kim Jong Un as a "child". He does have reasons for operating the way he does, and they are selfish childish impulsive reasons. You wanna give him a little too much credit. Sure, he's a calculating murdering bastard, partly by birthright. But is he some kind of a fucking brilliant "mastermind"? Hell no. If he were truly devious, he wouldn't be launching missiles over Japan. He'd be trying to do what Gaddafi was doing in his later years, appearing to adopt a friendly pro-American stance and making small but highly publicized charitable gestures so as to improve perceptions about him, gain Western support, and thus increase trade and boost his economy. Has any one of the three Kim's attempted this approach yet? Nope. Because it would take immense will power and the ability to think objectively, rationally and intelligently. And that shit is just far too hard to do for an impulsive spoiled little child who thinks he's a living god and everyone TELLS him he's a living god. Why should a living god have to compromise and play politics? He's used to killing anyone who disagrees with him. That is his method of operation and it will never change.

[Sgt. Dick]

Send Dennis Rodman over wearing a bomb vest, it could be a win/win. 

[|iR|Focalor]

He's too stupid to work complicated technology like a detonator button.

[quadz]

I'm currently half way through viewing the new 10-part Ken Burns documentary on Vietnam. One of the aspects I feel has been most educational for me so far, is its depiction of the limits of superior air power, when waging battles on terrain that offers lots of cover.

Reportedly, in a span of a few months in the mid 1960's, after we stepped up our bombing campaign, we'd dropped more ordnance on North Vietnam than we did on Germany and Japan during the entirety of WWII (nuclear excluded, obviously.) And we continued on from there, staggering amounts of bombing, without decisive effect.

It's just kind of amazing to me, what the limits of otherwise-overwhelming air power can be, depending on circumstances.

Not sure how N. Korea might compare, in this regard.

[haunted]

Rain MOAB's on 'em($$$$$). Or maybe the US possesses a highly advanced neutron bomb by now constraining not only the fallout to practically nothing but the destruction as well. We're probably saving that one for a rainier day than North Korea though. 

It would be a nightmare to some degree. And it'd probably be proportionate to how seriously we take them.

[|iR|Focalor]

I'm currently half way through viewing the new 10-part Ken Burns documentary on Vietnam.

Just in case anyone wants to watch this from work instead of working *cough cough*... or just wants to watch it period... you can find it here for free. No signup, no downloading an app.

http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/watch/

One of the aspects I feel has been most educational for me so far, is its depiction of the limits of superior air power, when waging battles on terrain that offers lots of cover.

Reportedly, in a span of a few months in the mid 1960's, after we stepped up our bombing campaign, we'd dropped more ordnance on North Vietnam than we did on Germany and Japan during the entirety of WWII (nuclear excluded, obviously.) And we continued on from there, staggering amounts of bombing, without decisive effect.

It's just kind of amazing to me, what the limits of otherwise-overwhelming air power can be, depending on circumstances.

Not sure how N. Korea might compare, in this regard.

Well technology limited us then. These days, we have high altitude drones that can watch things with infrared and thermal imaging and remain relatively undetectable by clandestine ground forces without sophisticated radar capabilities. In vietnam, they uh... kinda had something similar. They had poor bastards flying around in tiny slow tin foil armored prop planes the size of a Yugo almost touching the tree tops trying to find the enemy, and many times when they DID locate enemy combat groups, they got their tiny aircraft minced to confetti by small arms fire. The young men who did that job had balls the size of Jupiter. Most of them flew out and never came back.

I think if North Korea were to take on another modern military force like the US in conventional warfare, air superiority might not have a chance to matter. They'd be vastly outnumbered in air to air combat, and that battle would be quick. It's US policy to find a way to remove an enemies air power BEFORE entering the area with any ground forces. But afterwards on the ground with armored warfare, they'd be severely outclassed by the the superior and faster firepower, faster targeting, and more durable armor featured in our 'Murica tanks. I don't think North Korea has ANY armored divisions featuring uranium infused explosive reactive armor plating. I imagine uranium for armor would be scarce since they need as much as possible to continue developing their nuclear capabilities. If we entered North Korea, they could probably have the most success doing some moderate damage to us with mobile missile batteries, but that's assuming we'd be stupid enough to move assets within range of them before putting them out of commission... and we're not that stupid.

[|iR|Focalor]

I'm currently half way through viewing the new 10-part Ken Burns documentary on Vietnam.

Just in case anyone wants to watch this from work instead of working *cough cough*... or just wants to watch it period... you can find it here for free. No signup, no downloading an app.

http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/watch/

Getting ready to watch Episode 7 of 10 this morning. VERY impressed with this series so far.

I know plenty of Vietnam vets. And I've seen plenty of other documentaries about Vietnam before. Some liked to spin it in a way to make it look like we were victorious. Others were a little more realistic about how hopeless and miserable the situation was. And for once, it seems like ONE finally accurately portrays the real opinions and perspectives of the men than fought in that war. None of the vets I've ever talked to who were involved in active fighting OR non-combat roles have anything positive to say about their experiences in Vietnam.

It's also nice to finally see a documentary about Vietnam that goes into detail about it's origins, the civil rights movement, the Kennedy assassination and Cuba, etc. In other docs it's basically "Ew, Viet Cong BAD! Communists BAD! Yay, America GOOD!", or in other words, they tend to only present facts about the immediate conflict and it's battles and provide none of the vital context and "WHY" that this Ken Burns documentary covers. To really understand why this was such a life-changing and important event in our countries history, you have to understand ALL of it, the shit happening here in America, all over the world, AND in Vietnam.

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...And yet... I can't help but notice a conspicuous lack of dialogue concerning WHY Communism was viewed as such a bad thing that it warranted sending 500,000+ soldiers into Vietnam while still retaining a more than 50% approval rating amongst the American voters even in the aftermath of the Tet Offensive. This documentary seems to want to skim over the part of the narrative where the North Vietnamese were Communist tyrants in favor of referring to them as merely freedom fighters seeking to expel the invaders and gain independence. Like... WHAT THE FUCK!?!

What happened in schools in the last 20 years? Apparently someone's gone through the text books and removed all the parts talking about all the terrible shit the different Communist regimes around the world have subjected their people to. An irrational fear of Communism might be what leads to clusterfucks like Vietnam. But an ignorant admiration for it is what leads to clusterfucks like... Russia, China, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Congo, etc etc etc.

[2d]

I've been keeping up with Kim Jong but just dismissing the rhetoric, but this story made me o_0 and freeze up.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/27/north-korea-us-operating-three-carriers-in-the-pacific.html


The US is operating three carriers in the Pacific for the first time in a decade
Three carrier strike groups are in the Pacific in a show of force against nuclear-armed North Korea

Experts say the U.S. could use the carrier-based aircraft for a preemptive strike against North Korea and fleet escort ships could fire cruise missiles

Defense Secretary James Mattis, visiting the Korean Demilitarized Zone on Friday, said "our goal is not war" but rather denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula



Trump keeps saying he won't announce his military ideas ahead of time, but 3 carriers in the pacific gives me pause. what the fuck is he doing?

[Sgt. Dick]

2d,

I would leave North Korea if I were you.  I know you and Kim Jong are close, but he is only going to protect himself if the shit hits the fan.

[|iR|Focalor]

what the fuck is he doing?

What? He's not doing anything. The Navy wanted to go for a cruise, get some sun, take some pictures, buy some kitschy tourist shit. It just so happens they're doing it near the Korean peninsula. All is well.

...Is what I wish Trump would tweet about it.

But seriously. They're there "just in case". Like the Boy Scouts taught us, "Be prepared". It's always better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Kim needs to see that we are absolutely serious about protecting our friends in South Korea. Otherwise he's likely to think we're all bark and no bite... just like how Hitler correctly sized up the British leading up to the Nazi invasion of the Sudetenland/Czechoslovakia, the Rhineland, and Poland. Had the British been mobilized and ready to give the Nazi's a fight in Poland, it's very likely they would NOT have invaded in '39.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.