EDL #12

[fdrjk]

i think we could all use a few months over at amsterdam

[Whirlingdervish]

2 words: David Investigation.

 

[claire]

4.2.5 Players have the right to refuse to play on non-European servers

That rule will very likely be disappearing this year.

[ex]

ex: Your ping is going to suck for this. Hopefully you don't run into people who will refuse to do home/away. :x

4.2.5 Players have the right to refuse to play on non-European servers

its Welkin rule and it never was used before in EDL  added in same time last seasons with Welkin home map rule= q2dm2 must be played in EDL...

I was very disappointed with situations where eu "players" refused to respect elementary fair play *

TBH if someone's gonna be a dick about it, I reserve the right to GG it.  Not sure why that's even a rule.  Sounds pretty dumb to me, especially since I'm not that good and doing all away games would certainly result in defeat (unless I'm playing someone super bad).  Plus I notice U.S. players never turn down an opportunity to play against euros on their turf.  Why was this rule even put in place?  It paints euros in a kind of bad light, IMHO.

The only silver lining would be that if I play at a UK server, I'd ping around 120-130.  Not absolute ass, but close.  ;p

[Muerte]

EDL 12 map pak with all suggested maps-textures for ppl who play with q2starter and other not complete version of quake2

http://www.sendspace.com/file/wbde3o

[Barton]

ex: Your ping is going to suck for this. Hopefully you don't run into people who will refuse to do home/away. :x

4.2.5 Players have the right to refuse to play on non-European servers

its Welkin rule and it never was used before in EDL  added in same time last seasons with Welkin home map rule= q2dm2 must be played in EDL...

I was very disappointed with situations where eu "players" refused to respect elementary fair play *

TBH if someone's gonna be a dick about it, I reserve the right to GG it.  Not sure why that's even a rule.  Sounds pretty dumb to me, especially since I'm not that good and doing all away games would certainly result in defeat (unless I'm playing someone super bad).  Plus I notice U.S. players never turn down an opportunity to play against euros on their turf.  Why was this rule even put in place?  It paints euros in a kind of bad light, IMHO.

The only silver lining would be that if I play at a UK server, I'd ping around 120-130.  Not absolute ass, but close.  ;p

I see. I just have always played on a neutral EU server that is the most fair for both players. That way, there can only be very few legitimate excuses my opponent can claim after losing. Chances are if an opponent losses while having a huge ping advantage, then he probably lost those games because he got outplayed.

h/a might be the fairest solution to a match between an hpb vs a lpb (although a matchup with such pings ideally never shouldn happen if we are talking about competitive play), it still has its flaws. The main problem besides some players not playing well with high ping, is the fact that you can manipulate the map pool in order to have a greater chance of having the tiebreaker map played on your home server. You could purposely choose a map that usually ends with huge gaps in frag counts. If you win that map and your opponent doesn't choose a map that ends the same way, you have a greater chance of outscoring your opponent after two played maps. If that ends up being the case, then the h/a format is not really fair and is more about abusing rules outside of the game in order to win, which is lame. Maybe that is why a more fair rule for tiebreaker servers in h/a matches should be dictated by a random cointoss by a referee rather than this "higher frag count" rule". Then is still not a good solution since you'd have to trust the ref.

I do however understand why my fellow Americans players are only playing in this league for fun, thus getting a chance to play matches with a normal ping would be nice. Playing and losing matches from ping alone is pretty frustrating.

[Golgo13]

I do however understand why my fellow Americans players are only playing in this league for fun, thus getting a chance to play matches with a normal ping would be nice. Playing and losing matches from ping alone is pretty frustrating.

yea i know the feeling, ===> easterner :-)

[fdrjk]

i live on the east coast, so i always played on an eu server. if i lived more out west, i would definitely want h/a.

[ex]

I'm in Texas, so I don't get absolutely horrible ping (at least to UK), but if I tried any other server, it's always usually 150 or higher, which IMHO becomes unplayable because of the hitbox leading you have to do after that point.  Basically, you're leading a full "ghost" image in front of the actual player.  :<

[Muerte]

h/a might be the fairest solution to a match between an hpb vs a lpb (although a matchup with such pings ideally never shouldn happen if we are talking about competitive play), it still has its flaws. The main problem besides some players not playing well with high ping, is the fact that you can manipulate the map pool in order to have a greater chance of having the tiebreaker map played on your home server. You could purposely choose a map that usually ends with huge gaps in frag counts.

Never liked map kicking where u try to "beat" your opponent kicking his best maps. imho players should play own maps on opponent server and vv so score could be in group stage 3:1, 4:2, 5:3
i mean why u play quake2 if u try to play less maps then you could, with tiebreaker map

[BIG DICK RICK]

Not quite sure why this is such a big deal.  It's EDL, and if they want their matches to be played on a European server, then it's in the rules(for now or whatever).  So whining about it will do nothing.  If you have such a big problem with it, then see if you can get haunted's blessing to run a NADL and implement the same rule or start your own league with the rule taken out, however you want it.  Problem solved.

[fdrjk]

lets call it IDL -> international duel league

[Sgt. Dick]

People could join the GSL - Golgo Server League 

[bluemeanies]

The 12th season of the European Duel League has just started. Signups are open until September 29th.

Contrary to the name, any player for anywhere is allowed to sign up and I encourage you to do so!

http://q2scene.net/edl/index.php?op=com&id=2832
 

Thanks for taking the time to promote EDL claire...

[haunted]

I agree with muerte. I've only considered kicking maps(and in turn eliminating your opponent's map) to be a viable thing in group stages/round robin... So, if you're really good on one map and not another and it costs you the match or alters the set count, it'll just affect your seeding in the play-off bracket... then in the play-offs, you should definitely be able have your own map pick.