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[quadz]

1: to the best of my knowledge he was asked repeatedly for a demo of a duel before the day that he publicly made some statement about recording all his demos from that point forward as an alibi. This is why nothing in his demo thread is actually the demo he references being asked for in post 1 of that thread. "As per Alpha's request I am now posting demos of my games to whoever wants them in efforts to expose my suspected wall hacking."

This was troll attempt #1, because Alpha's request was NOT for him to post demos of all future games. It was to post a demo of a specific past duel in which Alpha thought he was walling.

OK. From my point of view it didn't look like a troll attempt, so much as a sequence that followed logically from someone agreeing to make a config change so that all future games would be recorded?

Considering his constant use of stats and such to prop himself up it seemed probable to Alpha that he would also make demos to support his claims of greatness.

Not sure if I've understood. Do you mean that you don't have the demo from your POV either?

no i dont have the demos. he knows which ones i am talking about though

There seems to be a double standard here.

Is it reasonable to believe that Alpha, our very own Mr. Cheat Police, who for years has relentlessly PM'd me with demos of alleged hax, suddenly failed to record this crucial demo?

Alpha, I suggest you produce this demo you claim not to have. And quickly.

[Whirlingdervish]

1: to the best of my knowledge he was asked repeatedly for a demo of a duel before the day that he publicly made some statement about recording all his demos from that point forward as an alibi. This is why nothing in his demo thread is actually the demo he references being asked for in post 1 of that thread. "As per Alpha's request I am now posting demos of my games to whoever wants them in efforts to expose my suspected wall hacking."

This was troll attempt #1, because Alpha's request was NOT for him to post demos of all future games. It was to post a demo of a specific past duel in which Alpha thought he was walling.

OK. From my point of view it didn't look like a troll attempt, so much as a sequence that followed logically from someone agreeing to make a config change so that all future games would be recorded?

Who really cares about my demos before march 8th anyways,

these are the demos that would be more incriminating because it was around a time when you weren't under heave scrutiny. Anyone can take demos when under scrutiny and post the most random one and say "look i aint cheating". you said all demos were available. I am interested in the ones i mentioned. the fact you won't post them or say you don't have them says it all really

Right around here is when it becomes obvious that magic is trolling stupidly to hide something.

He knew from the start that Alpha was requesting a specific demo from before the date he decided to make himself a fake alibi, by enabling auto record as some sort of "show of good faith". He then neglects to show any demo from before this date, and pretends that those demos were meaningless and that "nobody cares to see them" when they were the ONLY ones he was asked to provide.

His own statement about "his demos from before march 8th" implies that there are demos from this time period, and he's just not posting them.

He then uses his supposed "show of good faith" demos to keep up the dumb troll routine for 40 pages of thread, effectively burying the important bit which was that he refused to post demos from before the time that he knew he was being watched.

His whole schtick about how we all really wanted to see his demos or proof of his greatness or w/e is based on these earlier requests for POV demos of specific games when he was spectated on railz (which is 3rd person POV and much harder to get any decent proof on) and before he knew what the purpose of those spectators happened to be.

All told, that's why I've repeated the same line over and over about him refusing to produce evidence.
Unfortunately over 40 pages this line blended in with requests for proof of his OTHER spurious claims like his repeated insistence that he's beaten me many times after I showed a demo of how bad he is at insta duel, even with a wallhack.

[2d]

produce the demo or 

hearsay is not allowed

[magic]

1: to the best of my knowledge he was asked repeatedly for a demo of a duel before the day that he publicly made some statement about recording all his demos from that point forward as an alibi. This is why nothing in his demo thread is actually the demo he references being asked for in post 1 of that thread. "As per Alpha's request I am now posting demos of my games to whoever wants them in efforts to expose my suspected wall hacking."

This was troll attempt #1, because Alpha's request was NOT for him to post demos of all future games. It was to post a demo of a specific past duel in which Alpha thought he was walling.

OK. From my point of view it didn't look like a troll attempt, so much as a sequence that followed logically from someone agreeing to make a config change so that all future games would be recorded?

Who really cares about my demos before march 8th anyways,

these are the demos that would be more incriminating because it was around a time when you weren't under heave scrutiny. Anyone can take demos when under scrutiny and post the most random one and say "look i aint cheating". you said all demos were available. I am interested in the ones i mentioned. the fact you won't post them or say you don't have them says it all really

Right around here is when it becomes obvious that magic is trolling stupidly to hide something.

He knew from the start that Alpha was requesting a specific demo from before the date he decided to make himself a fake alibi, by enabling auto record as some sort of "show of good faith". He then neglects to show any demo from before this date, and pretends that those demos were meaningless and that "nobody cares to see them" when they were the ONLY ones he was asked to provide.

His own statement about "his demos from before march 8th" implies that there are demos from this time period, and he's just not posting them.

He then uses his supposed "show of good faith" demos to keep up the dumb troll routine for 40 pages of thread, effectively burying the important bit which was that he refused to post demos from before the time that he knew he was being watched.

His whole schtick about how we all really wanted to see his demos or proof of his greatness or w/e is based on these earlier requests for POV demos of specific games when he was spectated on railz (which is 3rd person POV and much harder to get any decent proof on) and before he knew what the purpose of those spectators happened to be.

All told, that's why I've repeated the same line over and over about him refusing to produce evidence.
Unfortunately over 40 pages this line blended in with requests for proof of his OTHER spurious claims like his repeated insistence that he's beaten me many times after I showed a demo of how bad he is at insta duel, even with a wallhack.

There never were any demos before March 8th, 2013. Only after much harassment on IRC and in game did I feel the need to start recording (look how swell that's turning out for you guys). My stats have significantly improved since I was unbanned and I question the value of any phantom demo where I play worse than I do now.  You have plenty of new demos at your disposal, just request any time/map after March 8th, 2013. Does that sound unreasonable?

[quadz]

just request any time/map after March 8th, 2013. Does that sound unreasonable?

If your webspace is approved, would you be willing to keep a folder updated with all of your railz demos?

[magic]

just request any time/map after March 8th, 2013. Does that sound unreasonable?

If your webspace is approved, would you be willing to keep a folder updated with all of your railz demos?

Yes

I'm already up to 769 demos @ (212MB Total), if you got Gigabytes of future disk space to waste I got the demos.

[bluemeanies]

well what else is there to say. you obviously aren't hacking at all seeing there is no shred of evidence saying you are. you were banned for years for hacking and being a douche but that doesnt apply now.my mistake

Not sure if serious...intuition failing...

[|iR|Focalor]

just request any time/map after March 8th, 2013. Does that sound unreasonable?

If your webspace is approved, would you be willing to keep a folder updated with all of your railz demos?

Jesus Christ. If I were magic and I were cheating... at this point, I'd fucking come clean and take the ban rather than doing all that dumb bullshit.

[Whirlingdervish]

just request any time/map after March 8th, 2013. Does that sound unreasonable?

If your webspace is approved, would you be willing to keep a folder updated with all of your railz demos?

Jesus Christ. If I were magic and I were cheating... at this point, I'd fucking come clean and take the ban rather than doing all that dumb bullshit.

Why would he consider getting what he wants for being an annoying twat long enough a bad thing?

It's his dream for someone to give him webspace on which to post his shitty demos so he can point to them and go "look I'm so legit because I posted lots of demos AFTER I knew I was being watched closely and they show nothing".

When he gets bored again, trolls stupidly and lies about more members of the community, what will we give him then? A new car?

[magic]

When he gets bored again, trolls stupidly and lies about more members of the community, what will we give him then? A new car?

[Whirlingdervish]

11:10 ban/mute:do nothing and the result is "Give him what he wants!"

 

[quadz]

Who really cares about my demos before march 8th anyways,

these are the demos that would be more incriminating because it was around a time when you weren't under heave scrutiny. Anyone can take demos when under scrutiny and post the most random one and say "look i aint cheating". you said all demos were available. I am interested in the ones i mentioned. the fact you won't post them or say you don't have them says it all really

Right around here is when it becomes obvious that magic is trolling stupidly to hide something.

He knew from the start that Alpha was requesting a specific demo from before the date he decided to make himself a fake alibi, by enabling auto record as some sort of "show of good faith". He then neglects to show any demo from before this date, and pretends that those demos were meaningless and that "nobody cares to see them" when they were the ONLY ones he was asked to provide.

His own statement about "his demos from before march 8th" implies that there are demos from this time period, and he's just not posting them.

It might imply that, though I don't form that impression myself when reading that quote in its surrounding context on the March 26th thread.

I recall admonishing Alpha, probably over a year ago, that his hackusations had gotten so out of control I'd reached the point that when Alpha cries "hax", it bolsters my confidence that the opponent in question is less likely to be cheating.

I was mostly joking on the latter part, but I put very little stock in Alpha's claims.

11:10 ban/mute:do nothing and the result is "Give him what he wants!"

It has been asserted on a couple occasions that douche-magic is only posting selected demos since he began autorecording. The thought was that uploading all his demos should address that concern. I don't think a demo folder provides him with any particularly novel or interesting new channel for self-aggrandizement. Demos posted on the forums already show up right on the home page. A web folder full of files is less visible than his forum posts, it seems to me.

Frankly if we were using q2pro on the server, and could just record MVD demos of every match automatically, that would be far preferable.

Presently there are obstacles that prevent the use of q2pro, but it's seeming more and more worth pursuing.

[2d]

11:10 ban/mute:do nothing and the result is "Give him what he wants!"

 

12:7 against ban
12:11 against mute

 

[magic]

What's my FTP credentials? I'm eager to get to work on my awesome website / epic demo folder ftw. PM me.

 

[quadz]

What's my FTP credentials? I'm eager to get to work on my awesome website / epic demo folder ftw. PM me.

I was going to disable HTML. There would just be folders full of files.

Instead, I should probably spend less time posting here and more time getting q2pro working with WallFly.