Okay War Flail has hit the forum...

[[BTF] Reflex]

Beat me to the punch on the railgun


But you missed the movement comment..

"I would also, very much, have slowed down the character's movements (by probably 20-30%)... and the error in the physics code that allows the jump and strafe movement tricks would have been fixed. That means little or no jump tricks."


   This wasn't an error, it was added with one of the patches early on.  At least the straf stuff, I'm not 100% sure about the double jump.  If that was an accident it's up there in my book with world changing accidental discoveries such as penicillin.

I liked this game when I started playing it. 

I got excited when I started learning the speed and jumps I saw other players do.

I fell in love when it finally clicked and I could do some of it myself.

[haunted]

a few thoughts:

I played loads of goldeneye, but Duke3d was the first game I've played where you could both crouch and jump.

Concerning not dying much in FFA.. one of the last times I played FFA a week or 2 ago, I went 28-0 one match(not dying a single time) as someone beat me to the frag limit at 30. Did I feel like I "outdid" the guy? Nope......Did I feel like I could have beat the guy if I reaaaaaally wanted? Yep. Did I even think about either of these 2 things? Nope, just remembered that I didn't die that match.

Most people don't consider q2's physics, ways of building speed, and jumps a mistake lol. I assume that most who are playing quake 2 are doing so because they really like these physics in particular opposed to other fps's. Q2 is a fast game, but playing a defensive game is certainly an option(the best option in some cases), if you have a more defensive style. But, someone who wishes to dumb down the movement in q2 = someone who doesn't fully appreciate all the more options q2's physics present in-game.

The DJ/strafe/circle physics were all added through patches, as reflex said btw... I said "consider" because I thought you were just considering them a mistake to put in there haha. But yeah, those elements aren't glitches or anything.

[peewee_RotA]

I played loads of goldeneye, but Duke3d was the first game I've played where you could both crouch and jump.

I can't believe that I forgot about duke3d's release date. I was thinking it was end of 97, which would have put it after goldeneye. In reality Duke3d was nearly a year earlier than goldeneye.

  I'm a dummy



...and regarding the movement part... I read an article recently saying that adrian carmack was the big proponent of faster movement. He described doom1/2 as being extremely agile but quake as being too slow paced for him.

[VaeVictis]

is it just me... or does this guy sound like he needs to stop playing quake and go play cod on a console...

[peewee_RotA]

is it just me... or does this guy sound like he needs to stop playing quake and go play cod on a console...

I imagine this to look something like this video, except replacing John Cleese with console

[Arm0r]

is it just me... or does this guy sound like he needs to stop playing quake and go play cod on a console...

Yeah, that's the ticket.  Let's drive another person away from Q2 and jam that knife just a bit deeper.  You really are a full on fucking drag to this game.

[Barton]

is it just me... or does this guy sound like he needs to stop playing quake and go play cod on a console...

It does sound like he wants to play something like BRINK, but it's nice that he's willing to play this game.

[VaeVictis]

is it just me... or does this guy sound like he needs to stop playing quake and go play cod on a console...

Yeah, that's the ticket.  Let's drive another person away from Q2 and jam that knife just a bit deeper.  You really are a full on fucking drag to this game.

if some one doesnt like what makes q2 good, and complains about the things that make it unique... why should we want them to stick around?

[fdrjk]

why should we want them to stick around?

Because Q2 isn't popular and needs all the people it can get? Except for you, we can do without you.

[VaeVictis]

why should we want them to stick around?

Because Q2 isn't popular and needs all the people it can get? Except for you, we can do without you.

im better at this game, and understand it way more than you ever will

all the people it can get? it sounds like he doesnt even like q2, just plays it because his computer is a piece of shit.... if hes gonna act like a cod player, im gonna tell him to go play cod

[peewee_RotA]

if some one doesnt like what makes q2 good, and complains about the things that make it unique... why should we want them to stick around?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/irony

[|iR|Focalor]

The last 500 posts of vae paraphrased for your reading convenience:

I'm not an elitist and I'd like to do everything I can to help bring in more people, but... you suck at this game, I'm better than you, and you and everyone like you should uninstall and go play checkers with old people in the city park.

  Yeah, he's mr fuckin' popular. Video game ballin', mutha fuckaz. Reckanize.

[VaeVictis]

The last 500 posts of vae paraphrased for your reading convenience:

I'm not an elitist and I'd like to do everything I can to help bring in more people, but... you suck at this game, I'm better than you, and you and everyone like you should uninstall and go play checkers with old people in the city park.

  Yeah, he's mr fuckin' popular. Video game ballin', mutha fuckaz. Reckanize.

id totally say that 

but seriously, i have no problem with people who suck playing, i just dont see a point in HIM playing because of everything he has said

[|iR|Focalor]

but seriously, i have no problem with people who suck playing, it allows me to beat them and feel 50% of the self worth I need to keep from killing myself. The other 50% I get by posting my boring opinions here on the forums and convincing myself that anyone gives a shit about anything I say.

[VaeVictis]

shoulda quit while you were ahead