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Re: Way too many people insisting I'm a cheater lately... a couple demos
« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2011, 06:23:52 PM »
If people have what appears to be suspect play to me, I will mention it.

This is precisely why I chose to upload my demos.  Like in many previous cases, when someone comes to the forums here to report a bot and/or a suspected wallhack, they upload a demo, for others to view, in an attempt to attain a consensus that someone's play is indeed "suspect".  I was hoping a variety of players (especially the TDM'ers,  or those with above average sound knowledge) would view the demos, which is partially narrated by Whirlingdervish aka Tycho, to come to their own conclusions and tell WD he was smoking crack, basically.

In these two demos, "Tycho" repeatedly calls hacks while I'm playing, and even goes into spectator mode to view me.  I make one rocket shot, in the mega room, when someone is hop-hopping up the stairs from water.  WD/Tycho views this an instantly calls "walled".  I'd like for others to view this frag in particular and dismiss his idea that this is a cheat, and clarify that it's nothing more than sound cues.  I wasn't even certain there was someone there, but the hop-hopping (up the stairs) cued me in that someone was coming.

Exhibiting skills of a level high enough to raise WD's suspicions (when that player is not using AC) is NOT equal to cheating.
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« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2011, 06:28:32 PM »
still doesn't explain why you can't just load the ac.dll and squash most accusations
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« Reply #62 on: June 24, 2011, 06:34:26 PM »
still doesn't explain why you can't just load the ac.dll and squash most accusations

I will post it one more time since it is apparently being overlooked - LINK.  Here's the clincher though... you have to actually READ that thread to get any info from it.  Time consuming, I know...

In that thread, which I posted almost 3 months ago, I discuss R1Q2 crashing and I'm seeking help on resolving the problem.  Someone else mentioned a conflict with AC, not I.  I even mention "I ALWAYS run with AC on", which I did.  I tried the "fix", which was suggested by someone else, and my problem is gone.  Unless you're a conspiracy theorist, and think I planned this all in advance, all in an attempt to frustrate people on the FFA servers, then I think it will help clarify my honesty in WHY I chose to stop using AC.
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« Reply #63 on: June 24, 2011, 07:00:15 PM »
Yea...but you say you're there for fun only, but a crash would wipe your score is the real reason you choose not to use it.   If R1Q2 crashes it takes about 4 seconds to load q2 back up and even be back on the server.   I'll admit you're old school and probably known by more players than most which is why you should set an example  :-\  not that you're required too but it would be nice of you.     

Not saying you're not legit because I don't think you hack at all but having people say "I've known this player a long time, he doesn't hack" is not a good enough explanation for most.   

Also, does AC produce a crash log?  If not is there a way to generate one?  Maybe seeing the problems first hand in a log will help nix it.
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Re: Way too many people insisting I'm a cheater lately... a couple demos
« Reply #64 on: June 24, 2011, 07:15:20 PM »
ac should be forced imo.

why?

it sounds like you normally use it already?
Obviously to make sure everyone else is playing fair. What's wrong with wanting to keep things clean and fair? Seriously, now we're gonna start questioning the motives of people who USE ANTICHEAT!?! What fuckin planet am I on?

Nah, actually that was just a sarcastic reply to adren, suggesting that HE did not need forced anti-cheat.  i personally do not see a reason to force anticheat on Punk.
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Re: Way too many people insisting I'm a cheater lately... a couple demos
« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2011, 07:17:49 PM »
apparently every word said on a server to someone who's aliased and not using anticheat is very important.

The direct rocket you got on zilla as he dj'd off the top step into the doorway could have easily been sound based.
Thing is, usually people don't shoot one fucking spam rocket after dicking around for a minute and get a kill on someone they have not yet seen.

Anyone hopping around in the rail water area/steps on dm1 would be making similar sounds.
Anyone double jumping down the catwalk with the bullet packs would make the same sounds.

There were plenty of players out there for almost the whole round MAKING SOUNDS.


If people questioning your "legitimacy" is such a fucking bother, go load up AC and stop crying about the "occasional crash" that might lose you a couple frags in an FFA server where a couple frags don't mean dick.

Since you're "top 2-3" in FFA surely you can make up any that you lose from crashing (occasionally) before anyone else gets the "win" and steals it from you.

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« Reply #66 on: June 24, 2011, 07:30:32 PM »
The crashes seemed totally random.  Perhaps you didn't read the thread I linked, but in my very first post I talked about crashing, and then upon attempting to reconnect, the server was full and I could not rejoin.  THAT is frustrating, annoying, whatever you wanna call it.  It was happening frequently enough for me to look for a way to fix the problem.  IMO I fixed the problem.

What I wanted out of this thread still hasn't happened, and that is for people to download and view the demos and comment whether or not they think things look suspicious.  Load up a wallhack and watch for all I care, if you have one.  I guess I wanted to shut the hack accusers up by showing to them that they are the only ones that think I'm hacking, or to take it upon myself to do what they were too lazy to do, and to actually come here and make a thread showing concern that I was really hacking, but nobody wanted to bother to take the time to do that.  They either really don't care that much, or know that they will get shot down with their evidence of my "hacks".

This thread was never supposed to be about using AC or not.  This thread was meant to be a request for demo analysis, and to report your opinions on whether there was substantial "suspect" play, or not.
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Re: Way too many people insisting I'm a cheater lately... a couple demos
« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2011, 07:33:00 PM »
sadly I didn't demo you making fuckloads of blind direct rocket hits the other day on dm7 or there would be demos worth watching to analyze.


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« Reply #68 on: June 24, 2011, 07:38:11 PM »
sadly I didn't demo you making fuckloads of blind direct rocket hits the other day on dm7 or there would be demos worth watching to analyze.



But I did!  DM7 you say?  I was playing you?  Do you remember the specific day?  I should have them if you want those avail for analysis too.

PS.  It's becoming clear that your problem is not that I don't use AC, your problem is you are convinced I am hacking, cheating, etc.  Not using AC is not worth getting upset over.  Someone cheating and trying to get away with it, yeah, that would be annoying.
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« Reply #69 on: June 24, 2011, 08:01:20 PM »
Punk should get AC anyway. Do you think people like purri or Damiah (Not that I'm comparing him to them :P) would have been deemed legitimate if they didn't use AC nor go to QCon?

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« Reply #70 on: June 24, 2011, 08:11:32 PM »
The direct rocket you got on zilla as he dj'd off the top step into the doorway could have easily been sound based.
Thing is, usually people don't shoot one fucking spam rocket after dicking around for a minute and get a kill on someone they have not yet seen.


Pffft remember my ranbase2 map against adren on the KOTH event a few weeks back. Fucking raped him with my super l33t rockets.!!! ...for like a nano second then ran away giggling like a school boy for getting just one on him. Yeah he pretty much beat on me for the rest of the match.
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« Reply #71 on: June 24, 2011, 08:22:11 PM »
AVG deletes anticheat.dll from /quake2 every few days or so for me, no matter if I make it an exception or tell it not to or whatever.

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« Reply #72 on: June 24, 2011, 10:24:46 PM »
Punk should get AC anyway. Do you think people like purri or Damiah (Not that I'm comparing him to them :P) would have been deemed legitimate if they didn't use AC nor go to QCon?

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« Reply #73 on: June 24, 2011, 11:43:55 PM »
People are acting like it's hard to dual boot windows with linux.....cmon....  :?

why waste disk space on windows and the time to reboot if you can get it working in linux and just type quake2 in a terminal and start up :)
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« Reply #74 on: June 24, 2011, 11:53:18 PM »
Punk should get AC anyway. Do you think people like purri or Damiah (Not that I'm comparing him to them :P) would have been deemed legitimate if they didn't use AC nor go to QCon?

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More like he should get AC since he seems to care so much about being seen as a legit player.

It doesn't matter if you don't cheat or not, getting AC can only give you more credibility. Sure, it's a bitch tweaking your mouse settings from 3.20 to r1q2 or some other AC-compatible client, but the annoyance won't last forever and it's worth it. I started on 3.20 and switched to r1q2 on my will.
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