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[haunted]

dm3 is still in the maplist in the EDL

6.1 SERVER SETTINGS

- Maps: q2dm1, q2rdm2, q2rdm7, ztn2dm2, ztn2dm3, q2duel5, ptrip, aeroq2, match1
- Timelimit = 15
- Powerups 0
etc.

^taken from EDL rules...

[VaeVictis]

I definitely prefer dm3 - mostly because I can't aim.

Haha yeah. It's a nice map cuz you can set the place really slow, and make the game much less about aim.

unless your opponent has a crazy rail... then playing slow just means you lessen the time between eating rails lol...

[Barton]

unless your opponent has a crazy rail... then playing slow just means you lessen the time between eating rails lol...

True...not much you can do in a situation like that. However a lower score count can make comebacks more feasible. Generally the map feels to me less rail rape potentially than q2dm1 or rdm2, where in both maps spawn points are more easily visible or accessible for spawn rape, and armor or shards are harder for the downed or freshly spawn player to get. Hell on dm3, the hunted player can steal mh quite a bit, depending upon on how tight his opponent's control of over the ya and rl room is.

[Muerte]

dm3 is still in the maplist in the EDL

6.1 SERVER SETTINGS

- Maps: q2dm1, q2rdm2, q2rdm7, ztn2dm2, ztn2dm3, q2duel5, ptrip, aeroq2, match1
- Timelimit = 15
- Powerups 0
etc.

^taken from EDL rules...

http://q2scene.net/edl/index.php?op=com&id=2430

[Lejionator]

I do not think we need to follow all the rules and tastes of the Europeans on how to play Quake2. They have their very own styles and we need to have our very own. We know that almost all are railwhores and love "spawnrape maps". In my opinion, I think the mappool should be more eclectic. There is a single map without Railgun!  If all maps are almost identical in style, there is poor diversity in strategies and that's boring. For example, in Quake Live everything is more balanced. "Lost World" and "Phrantic" maps are so cool even without rail.

I think that would be great if we add the Q2DM7 (Yes!) or a better map that has no rail. I LOVE q2dm3 up being slower and more strategic. Though I would not be good with rail, and I also love aeroq2 and q2rdm2. I also do not reproach ptrip, I like him despite being a damn "unfair spawnrape map", but I vote for diversity and flexibility!
More strategy = FTW 

My ideal maplist: q2dm1, q2dm3, Q2DM7, aeroq2, q2duel5, q2rdm2, q2rdm7, ztn2dm3 and ptrip.

Later!

[VaeVictis]

dm3 has no chain a balancing point no one really thinks about with the map... however with the shape and layout of the map defines how the play is more so than no chain...

dm7 is a map with no rail yeah... but i dont think the overall layout is all that good i dont see how euros can stand playing teams on it, i cant even stand the map AT ALL... a good duel map with no rail is actually ztndm3q2, a few q2 players dont like it, but its basically a pretty good map even though its a straight port over from the qw version of ztndm3 perhaps we just need some one to make a map over ride to one of the better layed out maps to make it a good no rail map.... perhaps some one could whip up a solid ssg heavy map that would be pretty interesting

a map kind of like koldduel1 without a rail would be pretty cool

[adz1La]

back in the day all the dev!ne players dueled on dm7 alot....(randy loves that map)....decent map bros..fun jumps...

[VaeVictis]

back in the day all the dev!ne players dueled on dm7 alot....(randy loves that map)....decent map bros..fun jumps...

i know randy loves it... but i guess its kinda like some other maps... if one player hates it, its gonna be a terrible match, but if both players like it then it could have some good results

[Lejionator]

dm3 has no chain a balancing point no one really thinks about with the map... however with the shape and layout of the map defines how the play is more so than no chain...

dm7 is a map with no rail yeah... but i dont think the overall layout is all that good i dont see how euros can stand playing teams on it, i cant even stand the map AT ALL... a good duel map with no rail is actually ztndm3q2, a few q2 players dont like it, but its basically a pretty good map even though its a straight port over from the qw version of ztndm3 perhaps we just need some one to make a map over ride to one of the better layed out maps to make it a good no rail map.... perhaps some one could whip up a solid ssg heavy map that would be pretty interesting

a map kind of like koldduel1 without a rail would be pretty cool

Well, yes, the design of Q2DM7 is strange indeed. With those big ladders, small and thigh, the lack of healths, weapons and ammos. Teamplay is horrible to play, a war of blasters and I don't understand how the Europeans they conform to play it. Today there are much better maps as q2next1 and q2bub1 then there is no excuse. But for duels, it is even interesting.

But the truth is that the official maps of q2 were not made for duels or even to teamplay. Were made to DM (FFA) and was the most popular style of play of the season when q2 was released and was at its height. Were the players who tried to adapt to these maps to dueling and teamplay matches. IMO, the maplist for teamplay should be this:
q2dm1, q2dm2, q2dm3, q2dm5, q2dm6, q2dm8, q2next1 and q2bub1.

Ok, I ran a little of topic but we need more new and suitable maps for duels. Maps that are not VERY unbalanced (one player has an absolute advantage and the other can do almost anything ...); that are not too big; Which have armor, items and weapons as well placed; Which have many design to make trick jumps (it the identity of q2!!) and that they are not copying the jumppads Q3/QL;

All of us were playing the same maps for over 10 years and and cursing them, then it's time to upgrade, to revive q2. Look Quake Live, for example. I'm not saying to exclude all the old maps from maplist, but selecting the most appropriate and add new (ones with no chain, with no rail...). There is also not need to add some 20 new maps, but only a few and fun.
North Americans are the "dad" of q2 and should not follow the style or leave everything in the hands of Europeans. There is not a rivalry of nations, but a matter of honor!

Later! 

[VaeVictis]

dkshaft and koldduel1 are both really fun new duel maps though koldduel1 has a bad glitch with the lift...

though they both have rail and RL, koldduel1 is a tighter map where rail isnt as useful and dkshaft has a very punishable rail location

[reaper]

I like the map size somewhere between ztn2dm3 and q2dm1, but no chain or a no rail map switches it up nice.

you can have jump pads and trick jumps : )

[Barton]

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Any chance we can take this off from the top of the message board? lol

[adz1La]

start another tourney :O

[Barton]

Make it a 8-man bracket so it will finish. Ban vae from entering it. lol

[adz1La]

I don't know about you, but I've grown fond of his excuses...