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[VaeVictis]

i said ffa players get some skill because they bitch about legit parts of the game because they are unable to play with them or against them :/ it isnt that hard to play ffa against things like campers or quad players... just learn how to instead of bitching about it, and after that you might even get some laughs while playing when you finally cap that camper with a jump shot rail to the face... 

As a "bitching" FFA player, I'm perfectly "capable" of playing with BFG and/or Quad damage.  It comes down to my idea of fun.  I like the non-stop action of FFA.  I like the simplicity of knowing where all the weapons are on a map, and knowing it will be available (although perhaps camped) when I get there.  I like being able to wildly charge into the action, without a well thought out game plan beforehand, and just start blowing shit up.  I don't want to have to be overly crafty attempting to disguise my whereabouts on a map so my opponent doesn't know where I am. 

Am I capable of altering all those things?  Of course... it's not like I was born with some sort of mental deficiency that denied me these abilities, but I choose not to develop them because they don't strike me as overly entertaining.  1v1 is a lot like a chess match in many ways.  I never did care much for chess.

I also like a challenge.  TDM is quite challenging for me, in ways I don't get challenged in FFA.  My preferred mod is FFA.  My problem with camping is a somewhat selfish complaint.  The more players that use camping as their preferred play style, the less players there will be that will be developing varied skills that will give me a challenge.  Same with quad.  FFA is trivial enough for me at this point.  I don't want to use quad and make it even easier.  I want to continue to improve.  I feel using quad is counter-intuitive to this.  I don't "like" losing, but winning against a tough opponent that is just playing really good is more rewarding than winning because I was the only one that ran quad, etc.

Btw, my favorite FFA experiences in this game have been on the Mage Warehouse DM8 server.  There was no BFG there, no power shield, no red armor, and rarely a mega health (and of course no quad on dm8).  The only armor was YA and shards, weapon stay on, etc.  That's where the best FFA players played regularly.  If you won there you were playing well.  I miss that.

self handicapping for the sake of fun is perfectly fine... you are just creating a challenge for yourself which is great, but you are an actually decent player, as apposed to some other ffa players who complain :/ playing for fun or not is not the question... its that many ffa players complain about stupid shit like camping and people running the quad or people using the bfg... if you just want to challenge yourself by not using them to have a little more fun, just know how they work so you can capitalize off them even if you dont have them, such as knowing how bfg deals damage... if you just learn to play against ALL strategies no matter how lame they might seem, it will make you a better player...

and complaining that there is no honor in gaming anymore just makes you look stupid imo... these are the same players who if they played quakeworld would probably complain about rocket launcher being over powered instead of just accepting that the game was just built that way and learning how to play

[Punk_FAS]

self handicapping for the sake of fun is perfectly fine... you are just creating a challenge for yourself which is great

The goal is not to self-handicap.  The goal is to seek an even playing field that does not contain, what I consider, overpowered offensive power-ups.  In this game, your killing/scoring potential is MUCH higher by having 4x/Quad damage versus, say, 400 health/armor.  I don't feel like getting frags in this game is difficult to the point where a quad power-up is needed.  I think the game is still loads of fun, and quite challenging (given the right players) without quad. 

BFG is more of a nuisance.  I find the BFG annoying when I'm in a rail duel, or having a good fight with another skilled player, and before one of us dies, someone waltzes in and takes us both out with the BFG.  Or those that attack you with like FOUR BFG shots.  I think the BFG would be a more tolerable weapon if it perhaps lowered the wielders health to 100 with zero armor while equipped, or perhaps only allowed you to have, at maximum, one shot with it until you respawn.

Yes, these things are "part of THE game".  A complaint here would be invalid if the good folks at id had made a perfect, or perfectly balanced game.  Of course, they did not.  DM flags are also "part of the game" so you can cater it to your preferences.

Not to mention... wasn't Quad changed to Triple damage in Q3?  And the BFG was significantly altered?  I think both of those items were gimped, were they not?

Again, my favorite experiences were on the DM8 Mage server, no self-handicapping required.

[VaeVictis]

self handicapping for the sake of fun is perfectly fine... you are just creating a challenge for yourself which is great

The goal is not to self-handicap.  The goal is to seek an even playing field that does not contain, what I consider, overpowered offensive power-ups.  In this game, your killing/scoring potential is MUCH higher by having 4x/Quad damage versus, say, 400 health/armor.  I don't feel like getting frags in this game is difficult to the point where a quad power-up is needed.  I think the game is still loads of fun, and quite challenging (given the right players) without quad. 

BFG is more of a nuisance.  I find the BFG annoying when I'm in a rail duel, or having a good fight with another skilled player, and before one of us dies, someone waltzes in and takes us both out with the BFG.  Or those that attack you with like FOUR BFG shots.  I think the BFG would be a more tolerable weapon if it perhaps lowered the wielders health to 100 with zero armor while equipped, or perhaps only allowed you to have, at maximum, one shot with it until you respawn.

Yes, these things are "part of THE game".  A complaint here would be invalid if the good folks at id had made a perfect, or perfectly balanced game.  Of course, they did not.  DM flags are also "part of the game" so you can cater it to your preferences.

Not to mention... wasn't Quad changed to Triple damage in Q3?  And the BFG was significantly altered?  I think both of those items were gimped, were they not?

Again, my favorite experiences were on the DM8 Mage server, no self-handicapping required.

im not talkin about a custom set up on a server, if some one wants to set one up that some people might enjoy kewl whatever i dont care

its that ffa noobs constantly bitch about stuff because they lose to it -.- like the other fas guy complaining, he takes it so far as to say that "cheap" tactics are dishonorable lol like we need honor in a video game, and the only reason to call those tactics "cheap" is because they are working against you and you dont like it... as ive said, some kids just need to get some skill, suck it up, and learn how to play

[Acer]

Yup and you just need to learn how to keep your deaths to a minimum, preferably under 30 when you're playing someone like your hero naym on Rage who's on a raping spree. Good luck with that. See sounds just as stupid, because there are some things you can't arm yourself against.  

But thanks for all your serious input though, I'm sure it will help make us all better players who won't bitch about bfg's and quad anymore.

[VaeVictis]

Yup and you just need to learn how to keep your deaths to a minimum, preferably under 30 when you're playing someone like your hero naym on Rage who's on a raping spree. Good luck with that. See sounds just as stupid, because there are some things you can't arm yourself against.  

But thanks for all your serious input though, I'm sure it will help make us all better players who won't bitch about bfg's and quad anymore.

lol there is quite a difference between losing hard vs one of NA's best active players right now, and losing hard because your too much of a noob to figure out how to kill campers

[fdrjk]

self handicapping for the sake of fun is perfectly fine... you are just creating a challenge for yourself which is great

The goal is not to self-handicap.  The goal is to seek an even playing field that does not contain, what I consider, overpowered offensive power-ups.  In this game, your killing/scoring potential is MUCH higher by having 4x/Quad damage versus, say, 400 health/armor.  I don't feel like getting frags in this game is difficult to the point where a quad power-up is needed.  I think the game is still loads of fun, and quite challenging (given the right players) without quad. 

BFG is more of a nuisance.  I find the BFG annoying when I'm in a rail duel, or having a good fight with another skilled player, and before one of us dies, someone waltzes in and takes us both out with the BFG.  Or those that attack you with like FOUR BFG shots.  I think the BFG would be a more tolerable weapon if it perhaps lowered the wielders health to 100 with zero armor while equipped, or perhaps only allowed you to have, at maximum, one shot with it until you respawn.

Yes, these things are "part of THE game".  A complaint here would be invalid if the good folks at id had made a perfect, or perfectly balanced game.  Of course, they did not.  DM flags are also "part of the game" so you can cater it to your preferences.

Not to mention... wasn't Quad changed to Triple damage in Q3?  And the BFG was significantly altered?  I think both of those items were gimped, were they not?

Again, my favorite experiences were on the DM8 Mage server, no self-handicapping required.

I dont care what you say, The BFG will ALWAYS be the most AWESOME weapon in FPS history

[VaeVictis]

self handicapping for the sake of fun is perfectly fine... you are just creating a challenge for yourself which is great

The goal is not to self-handicap.  The goal is to seek an even playing field that does not contain, what I consider, overpowered offensive power-ups.  In this game, your killing/scoring potential is MUCH higher by having 4x/Quad damage versus, say, 400 health/armor.  I don't feel like getting frags in this game is difficult to the point where a quad power-up is needed.  I think the game is still loads of fun, and quite challenging (given the right players) without quad. 

BFG is more of a nuisance.  I find the BFG annoying when I'm in a rail duel, or having a good fight with another skilled player, and before one of us dies, someone waltzes in and takes us both out with the BFG.  Or those that attack you with like FOUR BFG shots.  I think the BFG would be a more tolerable weapon if it perhaps lowered the wielders health to 100 with zero armor while equipped, or perhaps only allowed you to have, at maximum, one shot with it until you respawn.

Yes, these things are "part of THE game".  A complaint here would be invalid if the good folks at id had made a perfect, or perfectly balanced game.  Of course, they did not.  DM flags are also "part of the game" so you can cater it to your preferences.

Not to mention... wasn't Quad changed to Triple damage in Q3?  And the BFG was significantly altered?  I think both of those items were gimped, were they not?

Again, my favorite experiences were on the DM8 Mage server, no self-handicapping required.

I dont care what you say, The BFG will ALWAYS be the most AWESOME weapon in FPS history

its also the most useless and easy to dodge, railgun beats the shit outa bfg on the epic scale

[Acer]

Oh I have zero trouble killing silly campers or dodging bfg and everyone knows that railgun beats the bfg at long range with enough cover. Problem is that most of the time you spawn with blaster...and the bfg'er is standing behind your spawnpad in ffa games. Duh.

Hell, even with terrible packetloss I can dodge bfg blasts, the chaingun of a quadrunner and bounching nades all at the same time while I'm trying to get to the other side of the map to de-camp the noob that sits up the ladder @ railgunroom on dm4.

Side note, talking about NA's best "active" players.... I just watched Dahang play that f0cus dude and he pulled a 'vae' on Dahang while being down 16 - 3. He talked shit for no reason after he got beat on dm1 and then they played Rage. I don't think Dahang is back he just wanted to say hi and see what's up and f0cus started to behave like a baby.  Everyone was hoping that he would lose because of his attitude, which he did of course. So you see f0cus is kinda like you, he can play but he's too full of himself. I'll probably post it later on but if you want the demo now you gotta say please.

[fdrjk]

self handicapping for the sake of fun is perfectly fine... you are just creating a challenge for yourself which is great

The goal is not to self-handicap.  The goal is to seek an even playing field that does not contain, what I consider, overpowered offensive power-ups.  In this game, your killing/scoring potential is MUCH higher by having 4x/Quad damage versus, say, 400 health/armor.  I don't feel like getting frags in this game is difficult to the point where a quad power-up is needed.  I think the game is still loads of fun, and quite challenging (given the right players) without quad. 

BFG is more of a nuisance.  I find the BFG annoying when I'm in a rail duel, or having a good fight with another skilled player, and before one of us dies, someone waltzes in and takes us both out with the BFG.  Or those that attack you with like FOUR BFG shots.  I think the BFG would be a more tolerable weapon if it perhaps lowered the wielders health to 100 with zero armor while equipped, or perhaps only allowed you to have, at maximum, one shot with it until you respawn.

Yes, these things are "part of THE game".  A complaint here would be invalid if the good folks at id had made a perfect, or perfectly balanced game.  Of course, they did not.  DM flags are also "part of the game" so you can cater it to your preferences.

Not to mention... wasn't Quad changed to Triple damage in Q3?  And the BFG was significantly altered?  I think both of those items were gimped, were they not?

Again, my favorite experiences were on the DM8 Mage server, no self-handicapping required.

I dont care what you say, The BFG will ALWAYS be the most AWESOME weapon in FPS history

its also the most useless and easy to dodge, railgun beats the shit outa bfg on the epic scale

Not if you point it at the ground

[Punk_FAS]

The BFG is very hard to avoid if the BFG-wielder is at all competent with its use, and if there is nothing in the immediate vicinity to hide behind.  Couple that with the surprise of that BFG wielder having 2, 3, or 4! shots with the BFG, and enough armor to take a rail/rocket or two, and you're pretty much screwed.

I think the BFG does like 1000 damage max or something?  I guess that's if it makes a direct hit on you?  I know I saw the figures listed somewhere on the web at some point in time.

[CodeBlack]

HaHahahah!!! Useless and easy to dodge, did you hit your head again? 

[fdrjk]

One shot, shoot it at the ground, in a big room, everyone dead.

[Sofiene]

  with these new things,the dm will be boring and not fun at all,you can see that the TS dm server is most of the time full,not like fusters, that have no invisibility ,is most of the time empty  i only like the idea of no quad and why not 20 players max ?

[Barton]

The BFG is very hard to avoid if the BFG-wielder is at all competent with its use, and if there is nothing in the immediate vicinity to hide behind.  Couple that with the surprise of that BFG wielder having 2, 3, or 4! shots with the BFG, and enough armor to take a rail/rocket or two, and you're pretty much screwed.

I think the BFG does like 1000 damage max or something?  I guess that's if it makes a direct hit on you?  I know I saw the figures listed somewhere on the web at some point in time.

BFG does damage a lot of different ways, so it's kind of tricky to calculate how much damage it does, as it's situational. Here's a guide on how it works: http://www.quake2.com/q2wfaq/q2wfaq.html

[Puffs]

Fusters FFA is fixed