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Politics / Re: Critical Social Justice & The Cult of Wokeness
« on: September 27, 2020, 10:24:14 AM »


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What does this have to do with a police major writing an email telling her colleagues that people do not matter. Why does this conversation keep turning into black vs white people. my post was about police mentality.


You want to ENCOURAGE the mass exodus of business OUT of America? When the evil "1%" (learn the true hidden meanings behind the buzz words you fling with obliviousness) find a more agreeable climate for production, they will move production THERE. This is precisely why 95% of the shit you have in your house is "made in China". I thought you studied economics. You wanna tell me how the fuck a journalism flunk-out knows more about this than a Berkley economics grad?

give the profits to the public, not the shareholders.
shareholders are basically the 1%, and that is how they siphon the wealth of the country back into their accounts. they can eat shit once a decade so everyone else can smile.  :badgrin:

No way focalor. over the long run, the most important factor for business is stability in laws and judicial order. America is the gold standard. In china, you end up with luckin coffees defrauding everyone and going out of business. You are also at the mercy of the communist party. Sure some factories and some businesses will leave, but even if they do, made in america will come back.





On UBI... If you "reward" people for doing nothing, you encourage more people to do nothing.

The redistribution of wealth is immoral.


I dont see ubi as a reward, i see it as a balance. Most of the studies show that ubi goes towards paying basic bills like rent groceries and other bills. It actually gives people breathing room and encourages economic activity. What did you do with your 1200$ check?

On morality, in 2009 the banks and wall street got bailed out. In 2020, they released trillions of dollars in"stimulus"..... Read up on quantitative easing. The fed backed up corporate bonds and also directly pumped up the stock market. Rich people are withdrawing their money from the inflated stock market in cycles and this is the thought behind stimulating the economy. This is why you see the dow jumping from 19k to 29k and now hovering around 27k. Quantitative easing ends 9.30.2020, which is why the markets are selling off again, and you hear new cries for new stimulus.

Redistributin of wealth huh. Its ok for the stock market class, but the not for the people? The 1200 checks cost about 300 billion. the markets got trillions.... they dress it up with fancy words, but in the end, its welfare for the rich at the expense of the taxpayer.

We can afford to solve the reparation issue, the national debt, and rebuild the country's infrastructure. Americans would rather argue about not wearing a mask. :/

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Politics / Re: Critical Social Justice & The Cult of Wokeness
« on: September 26, 2020, 11:21:11 PM »
This "caste" thing you speak of is based on race, is it not?

Race and wealth mostly. for some its religion.

the cop just blurted out that these black lives matter people do not matter. lets not go in a million directions. this woman is in charge of a lot of cops and they all learn from each other. Rather than community policing, these people act like overlords.

Metal keeps pushing and harping on statistics of whites being killed more...
First, statistics on this matter is void. when you have officers daily altering police reports and hiding body cam, they influence heavily on what is really going on. the police police themselves. statistics cannot be referenced. remember that old guy that got pushed to the ground in that viral video? The police report didnt even mention that... lol.... statistics huh. theres statistics and theres the real world.

Second, if whites are being killed more by cops... so what?
what does that have to do with cops not giving a shit about people. blm and antifa include white people.



george floyds death was fucking fucked.
when a high ranking police officer comes out and tells everyone that any group of people do not matter, that should make you look and think twice at what kind of law enforcement we have.

my broader point is that this is not exclusive to law enforcement, that this belief exists throughout american society and its disgusting.

These people do matter. we are living with the descendants of slaves who were raped beaten burned whipped and murdered for hundreds of years. The united states of america owes a debt for the sin that was committed. We as an american people can never move forward until this is addressed once and for all.

As in other posts, ive stated that the universal basic income approach is probably the best option. My ideal way to pay for this would be to tax all corporations 100% once every 10 years. Do this, and we will have one hell of a country. a full tax once every 10 years would have enough money to rebuild the country and give back to the public. Afterall it is we, the american people, who pays for the systems and structures these corporations so heavily rely upon.

give the profits to the public, not the shareholders.
shareholders are basically the 1%, and that is how they siphon the wealth of the country back into their accounts. they can eat shit once a decade so everyone else can smile.  :badgrin:



 

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Politics / Re: Critical Social Justice & The Cult of Wokeness
« on: September 26, 2020, 11:15:47 AM »
when your underlying belief is that people do not matter, then it is easier to see why these incidents keep happening to blacks and minorities. america is looking more and more like a caste system

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Politics / Re: Critical Social Justice & The Cult of Wokeness
« on: September 26, 2020, 12:39:00 AM »

We expect police to GIVE A SHIT about the people they serve, even if they disagree with their politics, because that's not in the job description. According to the oaths they've always taken, cops are supposed to be consummate professionals and beaming examples of upright lawfulness. They are supposed to be role models for the community. They are held to a higher standard than others, and are able to maintain that position due to their strength of character. And these days, you can't talk shit about people and be a cop. You can denounce looting and vandalism, but you can't make remarks that belittle and degrade groups of people.

cops are in it for the power, the benefits, the salary and the pension.

This cop is a major, ranked above a luetainant and a captain.

"Don't make them important, because they are not. They will be the ones washing our cars, cashing us out at the Walmart, or living in their parents' basement playing COD for their entire life."


After George Floyd you would think people would understand the disconnect and make an effort to come together. In the age of black lives matter, and all lives matter, this cop basically blared out that no one matters, only cops or those with high incomes. And the real problem is, most of them think like this. And not only cops, but politicians, and the 1%...


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Politics / Re: Critical Social Justice & The Cult of Wokeness
« on: September 24, 2020, 10:56:13 PM »
Was reading Yahoo news.....https://news.yahoo.com/louisville-police-major-allegedly-said-224223651.html

Front headline: Louisville police major on antifa and BLM: 'They will be the ones washing our cars'


The Louisville, Kentucky, Metro Police Department is looking into a derogatory email a police major sent to her colleagues in August that said people who are part of antifa and the Black Lives Matter movement are "punks" who are not important, a spokesman said.

The email was written by Maj. Bridget Hallahan, who commands the police department's Fifth Division.

Hallahan, 47, confirmed to NBC News on Thursday that she sent the email and said fellow officers have been supportive. She also said she retires in six days.

Phillip Bailey, a journalist in Louisville, tweeted screenshots of the email Tuesday evening. He said it had been provided to him by an unnamed law enforcement source.

IMAGE: Bridget Hallahan (Louisville Metro Police Department)




IMAGE: Bridget Hallahan (Louisville Metro Police Department)
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A police spokesman, Sgt. Lamont Washington, said the department was made aware of the email and is looking into it. He said police "have no other comment to offer."

The email begins by saying: "I know it is hard to keep our thoughts and opinions to ourselves sometimes, especially when we, as a whole or as an individual, become the target of people in the public who criticize what we do without even knowing the facts.

"These ANTIFA and BLM people, especially the ones who just jumped on the bandwagon 'yesterday' because they became 'woke' (insert eye roll here), do not deserve a second glance or thought from us," it continues. "Our little pinky toenails have more character, morals, and ethics, than these punks have in their entire body."

"Do not stoop to their level. Do not respond to them. If we do, we only validate what they did. Don't make them important, because they are not. They will be the ones washing our cars, cashing us out at the Walmart, or living in their parents' basement playing COD for their entire life."

"COD" refers to the video game "Call of Duty."

Hallahan goes on to say, "If you need to bitch about it and get it off your chest, come to my office and we can vent together." She also claimed that officers "are being doxed merely because people just don't like being told what to do or what not to do by police."

Hallahan's email was met with backlash, some of it from Louisville residents.

Nicole Griffin of Louisville wrote on Twitter: "I live in Louisville & I'm hurt & disgusted by this email from Major Bridget Hallahan @LMPD Why does she view the community like this. How is this helpful? I don't know one soul who is in Antifa??? And if they wash cars or cash someone out at Walmart there's no shame in that!"

Anti-fascist activists are often known as "antifa." Another Twitter user, who identified himself as a retail worker, wrote: "She can say whatever she wants. If we in retail don't do our jobs correctly we get fired. They get a slap on the wrist and a free job in another county. Mind you if we in retail all don't do our jobs they don't eat. no one eats."

Screenshots of Hallahan's email were posted to Twitter the same day an email from one of the wounded officers at the center of the Breonna Taylor case, Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly, surfaced.





And that right there in a nutshell is what the thin blue line represents. Fuck the rest, take care of our own. The united states of america is in deep trouble ladies and gentlemen. There is no singular american people, and shit is going to continue to go down and get real. the bs is getting exposed and a reckoning is upon us. This shit reminds me of the walking dead and we are leading up to a midseason finale.


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Politics / Re: Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Thread
« on: July 13, 2020, 09:08:19 PM »
california is slowly locking down again. my county is back on lockdown basically. no indoor dining, movies bars etc. From the time this shit has started in china 8 month ago (november 2019)? we still dont know what the fuck this thing is or how bad it is.

Ive heard so many different things
The virus mutates
the virus is airborne
the virus kills only old people
the virus kills anyone with underlying conditions
the virus is non lethal in 99% of people
the virus cant be spread by contact, only by air
the virus cannot infect people with O type blood
the virus will vanish
the virus is only on its first wave, the second wave is going to kill everyone

what the fuck?
WTF?

how can this piece of shit virus affect everyone so differently. some people die, some people dont have symptoms.

whats absolutely insane is that the situation NOW is worse than it was back in march, yet disney world reopens? Wtf?

WTF IS GOING ON?

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Politics / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 08, 2020, 09:46:54 PM »
There are other things here I'd like to comment on, but I'll end with just one more thing:
as far as repairing slavery and the 400 years of injustice, give people earning below a certain income universal basic income and healthcare. how do we pay for it? we just do. tax the middle class, tax the upper class, put a tax on wall street, tax the corporations, tax everyone. we need to be able to point to an action we have taken to counter the slavery argument once and for all. otherwise were doomed to be stuck in this cycle, and it will happen again.
This comment is easily the most racist one in the entire thread. It assumes everyone under a certain income level is of a specific race, or that everyone of a specific race is under a certain income level, and that money can fix an injustice of the past. This type of open profiling while trying to say you have their best interest at heart is exactly the problem with a majority of modern politics. I don't believe this was said maliciously or with racist intent, but it does give insight to a particular mindset that is quite problematic.


noobcake......... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBCAKE...... lmfao

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/28/us/reparations-poll-trnd/index.html

From that article, nearly 75% of african americans support reparations.

"
It's unclear who or what would pay for reparations, but some have suggested that federal and state governments, private companies and wealthy families who owned slaves could be made to pay, since all supported and benefited from slavery.
Reparations could take on different forms, too: They could be delivered as land or through special social programs instead of direct payment, and some politicians have discussed developing tax credits for low-income families and "baby bonds" to pay for children's college tuition, but neither of those measures would be exclusive to black families.
Some institutions have already taken measures to repent for ties to slavery: Seminaries in New Jersey and Virginia have pledged millions of dollars in reparations to the descendants of slaves who worked on their campuses.
"

The word "reparations" means paying for past sins with money or some government handout.
In my short comment, i threw out a quick fix. give all people earning under a certain income universal basic income. wealthy african americans do not need the hand out, and perhaps something else can be done for them. 
The reason why reparations has never been done is because the cost is too fucking high and determining who would be eligible is next to impossible. Its been proposed with social security that people earning over a certain income be excluded so that the social security fund can survive into the future.


Im not 100% sure about this, but native americans were given lands that they now use to operate casinos with special tax  breaks. we dont hear the native american community bringing up the sins of the past, and one can argue that they had it worse.

my point was to give a solution. something needs to be done. and no im not a racist you jackass, though i did leave myself wide open for that assumption. 



Police officers are mostly not trained in hand to hand combat and grappling. They need to maintain safe distance to both have the visual data they need and time to react. A shove is about as basic a method to create distance as possible to re-assess the threat of a specific situation.

How applicable this is to the situation with the old man will vary. What kit did the officers have on them? What did the man say to them?


the cops were in full riot gear. there was an army of cops vs 1 75 yr old man. whatever that old man was trying to do or say, it was clear he was not a danger to them, they just did not want to be bothered by something they probably perceievd as trivial. as a result, he got his head cracked open. no need to over analyze this.

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Politics / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 07, 2020, 10:06:22 AM »
Im with you all. the old man is a moron. but he was jolted and surprised by the cops reaction. i want body cam footage to see what the hell was said. the cop still played a part.

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Politics / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 06, 2020, 11:56:13 AM »
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That guy in the first video looks more like he tripped over his own two feet. If he's that fragile maybe he should wear a helmet? -or not stand in front of a large group of cops, just doing their job, like a stupid asshole.


bro ur missing the point.

the police report omitted the fact that the cop even touched the man. u have a strong argument that the man mostly tripped, but come on. they are willfullly subjectively writing police reports to cover their asses. if this wasnt captured on video, the report will read the man tripped. this is what blacks are saying. cops do the dirty shit to them, a lot of times kill them, and it gets swept under the rug. All these videos are exposing the difference between a police report, a statistic and the truth.

chris hayes got a point. community policing has turned into militarized overseers.



in case any of you have never seen a blue line flag, this is what exists in many police depts all over the nation.


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Politics / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 05, 2020, 11:41:18 PM »
Quadz

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They made an entire segment out of my post in this thread. i need to sue cnn for plagerism.  :evilking:



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When all police sergeants, lieutenants, captains and chiefs start thinking like THIS, america will begin to transcend to the promised land. Watch the video from the 5 minute mark.

5:32   -   "we have to realize that our behaviors cannot be consistently pardoned because we ARE law enforcement."

gg

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Politics / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 04, 2020, 02:11:02 AM »
If it's systemic then the data should reflect a per capita disparity.
You can't just say: "It's systemic because all I know about are the cases the media decided to amplify."

there are no statistics that can quantify the totality of police abuse of power. you cannot post murder statistics regarding citizen crimes against each other and think that that captures police misconduct or abuse. your statistics don't even capture the amount of abuse of power shown in the 1st amendment audits that are all over youtube, let alone murder.

In george floyds police report, they did not even mention the officer sitting on his neck. they completely ommitted the incident. . how many thousands of police reports end up being subjective rewrites of an incident? How can statistics capture this reality.

the thin blue line is real. money in the justice system altering charges and convictions is real and its at all levels of government.

to argue that that these cases are individual, and that there is no underlying abuse of power is baffling.



i was reading this the last hour, its interesting food for thought.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/supreme-court-enabled-george-floyd-murder-police-violence.html

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Politics / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 02, 2020, 09:54:47 PM »
This was actually funny. Definitely one of those 'we're laughing at you, not with you' moments  :dohdohdoh:

With all due respect

FUCK YOU.

2dum thinking he's some masterful troll.  2dum thinking he's 1up'd everyone.

the picture had to be posted because focalor's brain short circuited and haunted knew my posts were good.
winning debate points.



 
You identified the problem when you said, "We all need to put the statistics away." The problem is that you don't WANT to concern yourself with things like stats (aka FACTS), you only want to concern yourself with how you FEEL.


I watched the video of george floyd again. All im left with is a feeling. there is no stat or graph, just a police officer willfully causing a man to go unconscious. Do i think he killed him on purpose? In my heart of hearts, i think he was trying to teach him a lesson. Even now, i am anti death penalty. i wouldn't call for the cops death. i forgive the cop, and i would let him have a chance at parole under the right circumstances.

When you say that stats are important, what are you trying to defend. are you trying to say that racism in america doesnt exist? are you trying to say that the problem of abuse is not systemic? Are you trying to say that george floyd was just a case of bad apples?

George floyd is just 1 case but the problem IS systemic. ahmad arbery, the kid jogging, was killed after he was chased down by a former cop.

the no knock warrant killing of breonna taylor, with cops entering the wrong house and gunning her down...
the police officers tasing protesters, the police officer using his vehicle to run over protestors.
the president of the united states using police and military to clear out a peaceful protest at a church for a photo op...


the underlying issue is power and its abuse. people with power need to be checked. you mentioned my first amendment audit videos. yes i am into these videos. i think those people do a service for us all. law enforcement have that thin blue line.. wealthy people and politicians have access to lawyers who can get you out of jail.

lori laughlin was facing 40 years in federal prison, but got off now on 2 months because of the covid 19 backdrop. do i think she should have served 40 years? no. i think 2 months sounds fine, she will learn her lesson staring at a wall for 2 months.

black folks dont get these privleges. yes weve decriminalized marijuana, but i think now is the time to remove mandatory minimums, to lessen penalties all around in the criminal justice system. if the statute says 3-5 years, perhaps replace that with 3-5 months.

perhaps have civilian oversight committes for police, maybe similtar to jury duty.
perhaps make it mandatory for all police departments in the nation to have body cams.

i dont have all the answers. but i think something like this could be a start. 

as far as repairing slavery and the 400 years of injustice, give people earning below a certain income universal basic income and healthcare. how do we pay for it? we just do. tax the middle class, tax the upper class, put a tax on wall street, tax the corporations, tax everyone. we need to be able to point to an action we have taken to counter the slavery argument once and for all. otherwise were doomed to be stuck in this cycle, and it will happen again.













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Politics / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 02, 2020, 06:23:04 PM »

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Politics / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 02, 2020, 03:10:36 PM »
quadz

bro

what the hell was that video

that girl sounded like a freshman in college.

she doesn't believe in black identity? she equated black lives matter to feminism? she stated that all the controversial deaths are individual and not systemic?

shes beautiful and smart, but my eyes tell me she probably grew up in a sheltered environment.


black people and minorities are saying they have been abused for 400 years, shafted economically and socially. they keep going back 400 years because the wrongs of the past have never been righted and continue to perpetuate.


quadz you are a programmer right? your mind is geared towards analytics and advanced mathematics and science, statistics and modeling. but this problem is emotional and human. there is no algorithm for this.  no statistic or graph is going to encapsulate this. stats can be manipulated and narrowed to validate any point of view. we all need to put the statistics and analytics away.  this problem is from the heart.

its literally become an apartheid country in terms of wealth and social equality. george floyd's death was an individual act, but it has become a symbol for everything that is wrong in america. people want to narrow this back into the individual act and contain it, but its just not that simple.


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Politics / Re: George Floyd
« on: June 02, 2020, 12:09:45 AM »
Skip... That's exactly what I did to that video.

 ::)

They're both useless assholes.

And that right there shows the disconnect even on an internet thread. Millions of people tune in to espn to watch stephen a smith and shannon. They are part of the fabric of the black community. What shannon says actually matters. what kareem abdul jabbar writes in the LA times matters. Shanon sharpe and steven a smith have tremendous clout and power in the media. listen to shannon, he is a boss

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