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What is the best monitor for Quake2
« on: June 22, 2008, 11:32:09 PM »
Ok, I'm sure most of you already know flatscreens are not up to par with CRT screens.  Question is, what CRT screens out there offer the highest refresh rate.  I've seen some that go up to 180hz at the lower resolutions.  I like to play at 1280/960 and have a CRT that is capable of doing 90hz at that resolution.  I know there is some professional ones out there that are better, but I've seen mixed reviews on them being blurry or geometry artifacts etc.  It seems the industry has decided to stop improving CRT and only sells LCD screens.  What does it take to get a  CRT to do some insanely high refresh.  I wish there were some 200 or 300hz screens out there.  Also flatpanel screens latency is a lie.  I also have a 2ms flatpanel.  That means it should do 500hz yet it still blurs when moving at 60.  It seems strange flatpanels will not even do 75 or 85hz.
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Re: What is the best monitor for Quake2
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2008, 10:59:26 AM »
Regarding 2ms decay rate panels: 2ms does not mean 1/.002 frequency. (500Hz)

The Nyquist rate for a 2ms pixel will be 1/2 the sample frequency since we are dealing with on-off keying of the bit. In this case, 250Hz. (50% duty cycle) This is the max frequency you can turn the pixel on and off and not get aliasing of the state when observed by a non-persistent method (like a photo cell). If you try to key it faster (500Hz) the observed intensity will rise to 100% as the frequency increases or a sub-freqency will appear to make the pixel dim and brighten as a function of the relation between the keyed frequency and the Nyquist frequency. (This is the same phenomenon that makes timing lights work.) Compound this with human persistence of vision and the tendency of the eye to integrate pixel brightness over time and you have considerably less than 250Hz. The blurring effect is a combination of pixel persistence, eye-brain persistence and interpolation of the graphics engine as a system.

As for the best monitor? I haven't a clue. :)
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Re: What is the best monitor for Quake2
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2008, 03:02:24 PM »
RAZOR1, don't tell me RAZORS parents made 2 mistakes???


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Re: What is the best monitor for Quake2
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2008, 03:24:00 PM »
RAZOR1, don't tell me RAZORS parents made 2 mistakes???




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Re: What is the best monitor for Quake2
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2008, 06:12:35 PM »
Figures somebody else would have a similar nickname.  I wasn't trying to impersonate anybody.  I know the Milliseconds of flat panels are not what they say they are.  I want a CRT but can't find anything above 90hz that will do more than 1280/960.  Seems they could have doubled that in the past 10 years so I would think.
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Re: What is the best monitor for Quake2
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2008, 10:55:55 PM »
CRT's are declining in the market. There's no incentive to advance the state of the art. Another reason you don't have high frequency monitor CRT's is because as the speed of the spot increases, the intensity has to increase leading to higher and higher acceleration potentials, leading to more X-ray emissions from the CRT. Bad for the complexion when spending hours in front of it. As it is, the face is leaded glass to reduce the external intensity and we know all those nice folks in EU want RoHS and Lead in glass is still Lead. Duh.
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Re: What is the best monitor for Quake2
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2008, 06:05:02 AM »
Just buy a god damn LCD. You're not going to notice any difference... christ.
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Re: What is the best monitor for Quake2
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2022, 02:24:27 PM »
Necroposting. But it's on topic.

My old monitor was this ancient Benq square LCD thing, can't even remember the model, it doesn't matter. It was a trooper though, lasted way longer than it should've. I think the fastest it went was about 60 or 75hz. For the longest time I played Q2 with the monitor set at something pretty low like 30 or 40, can't really remember. I bumped it up to 60 and was amazed by how much smoother the game performed. I then bumped it up as high as it would go to 75. I guess the reason for the longevity of the monitor was probably that I operated it at such a low frequency for so long. Once I set it up to 75, it was about 2 weeks after that when it died.

Earlier this year I bought a new monitor. Was specifically looking for something that would perform the best with a game like Q2, so from what I read, it sounded like a TN panel was the way to go. I had been using an IPS panel I borrowed from a family member, and even though the rate went up to 60hz, it was "ghosting" and blurring really bad when playing Q2. Since I had such good luck with a Benq brand monitor, I decided to look there first.

Didn't take long. Found one that was a TN panel, 27 inch, max 165hz, 1080p, 250 bucks.

This thing is great for Q2. 100-120hz is more than fast enough to perform excellently with Q2, but you can set it as high as 165 if you want (if your video card allows it). I don't see much of a difference between 120 and 165 in Q2 personally. But in GTA5 on pc, 165hz is CRAZY smooth. One of the reasons I bought this was to also use it with an Xbox Series X, whenever I can manage to find one. Supposedly the GPU's in them are good enough to run high levels of ray tracing at 120fps, and the HDMI input on this monitor is supposed to be Xbox Series X compatible.

https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/monitor/xl2731k.html

If anybody knows of a good IPS monitor that DOESN'T blur and performs as well as a TN panel, let me know.

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