wallhacking busted

[GhandI]

i was told to post this as evidence of elysium's wallhacking...what do you think?

[X'tyfe]

wow its that faggot (bundle of sticks) ghandi

[console]

i was told to post this as evidence of elysium's wallhacking...what do you think?

...Eh?  I didn't notice anything that made me think wallhack.  Can you be more specific?

Now if the demo were entitled, quadwhore.dm2 ....


Regards,

[peewee_RotA]

There was only about 1 moment that it seemed like it at which poing someone named "heh" says "there is was." However I doubt it because he obviously uses a quad timer and was strafing back and forth shooting at all the entrances. The first one he shot at he got lucky and someone popped out after he shot. So he just shot again.

Would I say that he plays like a jerk off with the spawn killing, item shopping, and camping? YES. But cheating, no. He obvoously doesn't need to cheat to play like a jerk off.

[[BTF]Gator]

elysium is an efficient player, not a cheating player.

[X'tyfe]

There was only about 1 moment that it seemed like it at which poing someone named "heh" says "there is was." However I doubt it because he obviously uses a quad timer and was strafing back and forth shooting at all the entrances. The first one he shot at he got lucky and someone popped out after he shot. So he just shot again.

Would I say that he plays like a jerk off with the spawn killing, item shopping, and camping? YES. But cheating, no. He obvoously doesn't need to cheat to play like a jerk off.

this is pretty much where i stand on elysium

[console]

Would I say that he plays like a jerk off with the spawn killing, item shopping, and camping? YES. But cheating, no. He obvoously doesn't need to cheat to play like a jerk off.

One could argue that Ely simply plays in the pure unadulterated id software style.  Wherein, the powerups and items are meant to be used in pursuit of one simplistic and singular goal: reaching the fraglimit as fast as possible.

I'm pretty sure that's what id probably had in mind when they designed the game.  All the chivalrous behavior adopted by some FFA players such as leaving powerups for the newbies to use, and not shooting players who're only armed with a blaster, etc., is likely our own invention.  As such it is merely one style of playing the game.

And since nobody actually gets hurt by being gibbed two seconds after they spawn, it's hard for me to find much fault with the player doing the virtual shooting.  Especially considering when doing so they are probably following the original game design to a T.

Personally I'm not that singleminded about frags when I play.  But then, I'm not likely to win any tournaments either.


Regards,

[peewee_RotA]

And since nobody actually gets hurt by being gibbed two seconds after they spawn, it's hard for me to find much fault with the player doing the virtual shooting.

[[BTF] Reflex]

Nice footwork on dm5

[{TNP}Dukie]

don't turn off spawn protection please

[console]

Then turn off spawn protection

Heh, I expected someone to bring that up. 

The spawn protection wasn't added to stop Elysium-style players from railing newly spawned players (the protection only lasts 1.0 seconds after all.)  It was added to give players a chance to be something other than motionless when faced with a {PIT} style spawn camper.

I kind of suspect crouching behind a spawn with an ssg, blasting motionless players on a crowded server, is a little cheesier than what the game designers originally had in mind.  But I could be wrong.


Regards,

[peewee_RotA]

Then turn off spawn protection

Heh, I expected someone to bring that up.

[[BTF]Defiant!]

i was told to post this as evidence of elysium's wallhacking...what do you think?

When Elysium has 20 frags and enters the quad room, you can HEAR the footsteps of the player.  You can tell they aren't below because there is no water sound. 

This is a better demo.. http://tastyspleen.net/quake/forums/index.php?topic=4354.0

[X'tyfe]

There are servers that invite competative play. However competative players in an uncompetative game clears out servers faster than bad a Longest 3 feet remake.

this right here, is exactly why i have grown so negative towards the quake2 community
that and the longest three feet is the gayest map ever made

[console]

Just trying to be funny, but in all weriousness this "made up" ethics is not without a purpose, as is with most disregarded concepts of morality in todays world. Queensbury rules and all that rott are most well adopted because of traffic. Camping spawns, the method that you mentioned, is no more a deterant in FFA's as someone controlling a map is.

Hmm.  I still feel there's a qualitative difference though.  Elysium's style does take skill and focus and map knowledge.  If we filled a server with ten Elysiums, the result would be a pretty high energy interesting FFA battle.  If we filled a server with ten spawn campers, the result would be crickets.

You don't run a item shopping quad whore circle in a FFA map because it's more fun with 24 players than with 16, i mean 12, i mean 8, i mean oh crap everyone left.

There are servers that invite competative play. However competative players in an uncompetative game clears out servers faster than bad a Longest 3 feet remake.

Hmm, I've definitely seen people react that way, but I don't quite understand it myself.  The FFA servers are usually filled with a whole range of players from complete newbies to moderately skilled players and the occasional Elysium or C2Shoes or whatever... I guess it's not in my nature to look at a player like Elysium on the server as a reason to leave.  (I'll admit to being annoyed sometimes when my favorite maps are over in 2 minutes, but other than that... )


Regards,