Who remembers deftone?

[Whirlingdervish]

amen.
 

[DeanRW]

Sorry for the rambling I suck at such long stories but thought it needed to be said.  Reaper is wrong to show his point of view.  Everyone knows that drugs makes you do things that you really dont want to do but in order to feed the habit you go to great lengths to get that fix.  You are entitled to your opinion of course but to attack railwolf the way you did was wrong.  It sounds as if railwolf was talking from experience.  Maybe not the drug part but the jail part.  All I can say if anyone that reads this is into cocaine, herion, or anything that strong get help.  If you have close friends true friends I can garuantee they will be there for you.  I was even if I got fooked at least I can say I tried.

Rich
A.K.A. Chm0d

Even little ole weed can wreck a life. I know this as I have a 21 year old step son who can do nothing but plan the next time he can get stoned even though his girlfriend is due to have their child in late June. Most weeders have it in their head that it is not destructive, they are totally in control and think it is a cool image. Well take a look at my son, who cannot hold a job, because he calls in sick to get high with his buddies. He got caught with 30 grams of it back in November and was told to pay $100 to a charity and notify the police by March 21st as the fine or face an arrest warrant. Well he let that date pass and advised he could not afford it, 4 days after getting his $600 pay cheque.

Not bailing him out any more, I cannot be bothered. Just waiting for his arrest warrant to be issued at this point.

[Whirlingdervish]

meh. alcohol is more destructive than pot. and it's legal.

I smoke daily, so I don't see pot itself as a terrible thing...
I generally wait till I'm home from a 10 hour work day before I blaze, so I there's a good chance that I see things a bit  differently than a lot of potheads who smoke all day and waste their lives eating potato chips and drinking orange soda...

on that note, anyone who skips work for the sole purpose of getting stoned and sitting on their ass deserves to be arrested and publicly flogged.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on that one.

I just disagree with your misrepresentation of herb as "the" cause..
If you can't put your life first, anything can be a destructive drug. Just like WOW, and porn, and rock&roll.

[Arm0r]

meh. alcohol is more destructive than pot. and it's legal.

I smoke daily, so I don't see pot itself as a terrible thing...
I generally wait till I'm home from a 10 hour work day before I blaze, so I there's a good chance that I see things a bit

[{TNP}Dukie]

some people can't just blaze up, they can't drink either.  it's not the drug of choice in the case of those two, it's the person with the addictive personality.

I am related to one of those people.

If at the age of 40, they are still unchanged, will not work, attempt to find any work and want to bleed their elderly parents dry, I say, fuck'em.

I'm pretty much in agreement with the entirety of Dean's post.
Everybodies situation is a bit different, and I happen to be able to relate to his big time.

[reaper]

i'd have to say alcohol is much more destructive than marajuana, and alcohol is legal.  i understand where all the compassion comes from, but you have to be practical; me personaly, i don't give a fuck if someone sells drugs, or does them, i take things on a case by case basis. that said, i do draw the line somewhere, i don't believe it's right to sell drugs to someone who's not an adult, and such.  but obviously walking around like you don't give a fuck, and it's grand theft auto time is a little much, and it can't be tolerated.

i've dealt with things like this before:
having a brick thrown through my truck window in the hood cuz my ex's father is an asshole crackhead.  i lived with her and her father for four years, so that wasn't suprising.  my ex i've been on and off with for five years, a couple months ago was on tv for selling drugs, so much fun.   and i never had a mother, i've been weak, i tried to avoid the police which resulted from smashing my car into the telephone pole next to my house.

my opinion is when it's said and done, i think weakness, and intellegence have a lot to do with things, but all you hear is disease, disease, disease.  i say suck it up, and get your shit together, call addiction what you want, don't be weak, and be smart, some things are difficult.  don't get me wrong though, i don't think we need to be fucking people in the ass where they down, and showing them less hope, when they thought there wasn't any in the first place.  but this is reality the world is dealing with her, sometimes you have to be held accountable for what you do, you know damn well your a drug addict at the point this guy is at, and you can choose to suck it up, or rob shit, i believe he got what he deserved, high or not that's a blatent well understood step over the line.  it's not like he drove a car, thinking he wouldn't hurt anyone, he just went buck wild

[adrenal1ne]

 

[haunted]

First of all: fuck coke/crack in general and especially fuck nose bleeds. oh and crack doesn't make you throw shit through windows haha. Usually it's just the dudes that are crackheads by common knowledge to all that are psycho.

Drugs can be addictive, but it's more so the person with an addictive personality. I'm not one of these people so it's really hard to relate for me, but I would assume that things like loneliness, depression, and failure correlate with addiction. The mind gets weaker, doesn't think clearly, and one tricks him/her into a unnecesary reliance on drugs. I think that events in one's life can affect this as well. For example: someone's relationship ending in which they placed way too much reliance on their significant other. It probably wouldn't be too hard for them to replace that reliance with drugs when very depressed. Most of all you shouldn't be condescending towards them because it IMPOSSIBLE for you to put yourself in their shoes, and do not say that you can. If you're talking about the typical worthless heroin addict / village idiot that's constantly in jail then talk all the shit you want on them.

It's all about self control. Kind of like how everyone thinks that cigarettes are extremely bad for you. I'm always like WTF, if you smoke 20 a day or eat 20 a day of anything it will fuck you up; it's not cigarettes or tobacco in general. I would like to see someone eat 20 mcdonalds cheeseburgers a day and see how long it takes them to get cancer or die, lol. (20 cigs to a pack if anyone didn't know why i used that #)

Personally, I think that in limited use and at the end of your day, it could even be GOOD for you to take a hit or 2 of weed for relaxation purposes, same with niccotine. Do I stop after a few hits of weed? HELL NO, hahahah.. not trying to say that, but I am a person who smokes several times a day (sometimes 10, sometimes once, rarely none, avg probably about 3-4x/day) and at the same time I'm taking an 18 hour schedule at a university, currently pre-med. I'm not saying all drugs are good. I definitely follow a set of personal rules made by experience and knowledge.

I'm not saying I do perfect in school or i'm invincible to addiction either. I've always been a slacker ever since I was little, but I get my shit done and still have plenty of fun getting trashed -- BUT I am saying that I haven't encountered a drug, no matter if i like it or dislike it, that I find addictive or even able to get addicted to.

The world would be a better place without improper usage of drugs, HOWEVER, this being impossible, I have no problem concerning my fun with them.

[jägermonsta]

"Casey Jones is ready, watch your speed..."

All about watching your speed.

[reaper]

yeah i never really liked coke or crack, just isn't and was never my thing.

it wasn't the crackhead that threw shit through my window, it was some dealer he gave his wife's car to.

[[BTF]adam]

meh. alcohol is more destructive than pot. and it's legal.

agreed, the biggest example I can think of is my father..

he died october 2004, due to alcohol abuse, but he'd smoked pot for a long long time and it never affected him anywhere close to what drink did, it kinda sucks losing your dad at 14, but at least I know what /not/ to do now.

[haunted]

Marijuana is blatantly less dangerous then both tobacco and alcohol. I know a select few may think otherwise, but for the vast majority it is definitely true. This is a very common misconception in the U.S., and many europeon studies support this. There was a recent study over in your gay country adam(sry about your dad), and the results were pretty hilarious. The vast majority of the people tested drove in an obstacle course BETTER high than sober. Difference would only be usually knocking over 1 cone though pretty much. Everyone else did the same. The U.S. says that marijuana intoxication is one of the leading contributers to accidents/death, ROFL. That's because it stays in your system for 25-30 days, unless you smoke around once a month like the other .00001% of the world then 2-2.5 weeks. It's ridiculous that someone could have smoked 25 days previously, still have thc in their system, and it gets documented as driving while impaired by marijuana.

[Arm0r]

meh. alcohol is more destructive than pot. and it's legal.

agreed, the biggest example I can think of is my father..

he died october 2004, due to alcohol abuse, but he'd smoked pot for a long long time and it never affected him anywhere close to what drink did, it kinda sucks losing your dad at 14, but at least I know what /not/ to do now.

Im very sorry for your loss, I lost my grandfather that way    but you live and learn, to much of anything is bad.

[yodasmyBONG!]

did deftone play at AW rails? (haunted stfu)...i remember someone named [tF]deftone....same person?

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I often wonder regarding substance abuse the question of nature vs. nurture. My father watched alcohol and cig smoking ruin his father and vowed to never be like that. I have seen a beer in my father's hand twice in my whole life. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years down the road we do not start seeing in health questions, next to does such and such cancer or diabetes run in your family; does alcoholism, drug abuse, even caffeine usage, run in your family? Or to go a step further, does gambling run in your family? I have an addictive personality and I was raised to not over indulge in anything, which makes me wonder is the susceptibility to vices in my genes or is it a result to not being taught effective coping mechanisms to stress.