will all custom weapon/item models show up as hax under anticheat?

[Whirlingdervish]

I got a new pak with custom weapon/item models and skins that look really nice and are high res..
I was wondering if anticheat is going to see these as spiked models because they aren't the same as the stock ones or if it will allow me to use these in multiplayer games...

here's a link to the pak:
http://leray.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=talk4&action=display&thread=1166981165&page=1

 

[[BTF]Gator]

i'll attempt to answer without being near a gaming machine to test it on, but my understanding is this:

default ac looks for known file hashes, which those won't match.  So the easy answer should be yes, that pak will be just fine, ac won't kick you.  However, a server that forces stock files, would kick you, but i dont know any strict servers running.

[[BTF]Jehar]

My hope is that the situation will never become restrictive to the level of punkbuster...
But Gator covered that. What I *really* want to know is... tell me hudweap models are on the way! This is like the coolest thing I have seen in... wow.

[randypants]

wow nice pak man, i think i will incorperate some of them into my own pak 

[X'tyfe]

i use modded models for the blaster projectile and explosion, as well as bullet smoke and iv never been caught   

[jägermonsta]

those are pretty badass looking. hope they're really allowed...

[Whirlingdervish]

i use modded models for the blaster projectile and explosion, as well as bullet smoke and iv never been caught

[[BTF]Gator]

and so you guys know, any file can be allowed or held out.  Its just a matter of making the hashes.  So dont have any worries.  In general only cheats are held out, and if a strict server were set up, the admin could allow anything in he wanted, so it would purely be a matter of having the admin create hashes for it.  But things as they are now are pretty free.  Only cheats are being held out.

[jägermonsta]

Does anyone who uses these have a sudden burst of frame lag the seconds after joining a server?

Once I added these models after a few seconds my quake will skip a few frames. After that everything is ok... anyone else experience this? I'm running SLI cards with 2 gigs of RAM total so I doubt Quake2 is benchmarking my PC. 

[Whirlingdervish]

You don't think that might be a bit of overkill in the vid-card department do you? 
Everything runs a bit slower for me when I use these. they have tons more polygons than the stock ones.
I use a crap old geforce card though..

If you join a dm map with tons of items laying around within the space that you can "see", you might be getting a lag spike when your vid-cards initially draw them all.. It doesn't seem like a lot of work at first, but consider how many more individual faces are on each of the armor shards and stimpacks with these models.. even the rocket projectiles are more complicated.
If you take the skins off em in a model editor, and compare them to the stock models, you'll see what I mean.

I wouldn't let this discourage you from using them if you have a badass system though...
They're worth the slower rendering speed if you're bored of looking at the same rocketlauncher every day for so many years.

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[[BTF]adam]

I think I read somewhere that, that may be the deferred model loading that's on by default, r1q2. (?)

[[BTF]DeathStalker]

I was defenatly getting random frame rate drops using them. I would be cruzing close to 200 fps, then just drop to 35 !!! WOW !!!
No thank you, I pulled them. It only seems to happen when I use these models and that's sad, because i love the models that are in these.
Aslo it would take WAY to long to load upon a map change. Fighting would aready be well underway by the time i got loaded up.

[R1CH]

I think I read somewhere that, that may be the deferred model loading that's on by default, r1q2. (?)

Correct, add this to your config to remove the stuttering (at the expense of longer loading times):

set cl_defermodels 0

I'm using them just fine on my GeForce 4400, they shouldn't cause any significant FPS drop.

[JaQuIO]

i dont think it should be allowed for this adds a loophole on how to inch in on getting cheaters t omake an excuse that its a modified skin rather than a cheat which their hiding. maybe its  not in your cases but in the near future this is what's gonna happen. i think it should be strict or maybe rich can work something out to allow only those models but until then i have to disagree