Dudez I'm better than you think (my demo)

[X'tyfe]

ID software and Raven makin i believe

afaik, raven is the only one making quake4
ID is only around to pass around ideas and such

[Dr_Cornholio]

I can tell you all now that Quake IV is gonna be a BIG dissapointment. Why, you ask, this is why:
Firstly, Raven Software, not id Software as creator
Then, of course, if I asked you to describe Quake, you would probably say the term 'fast-paced' somewhere along the line. Quake IV is gonna have Max Payne-style bullet time bullshit. That's gonna be a disaster in the Quake world.

Quake III does not suck - it is different to Quake II and as soon as you've played it for a while, you will see that in some ways, it's better than Quake 2. Examples:
Obviously the graphics!
Plasmagun is better than hyperblaster!
BFG is better (it would been cool to have the BFG rays as well)
No blaster! Even the gauntlet is better than the blaster! And you start off with a machingun as well!
Lightning gun is cool!
Team-based matches are way better now coz now you can see where team members are, as well as their health, armor and weapon use. It's also easier to send team messages.
Better multiplayer menu setup.
Extra powerups - invisibility, haste, regeneration

But then again, Q3 does have its letdowns:
Handgrenades woulda been cool!
The GUI is not as simple and easy to use as Q2.
Even if you have a legitimate copy, it will still harass you for your CD-key online

Now, if you have a good PC, Quake 3 is amazing on LAN! Try it sometime

[Bleach]

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/quake4/preview_6124476.html
thats the gamespot article i was talkin about... Q&A... on the second page is the mention of multiplayer and how its more Q3 and single player Q2

edit: I dunno about Raven Screwing it up (though bullet time sounds lame) but Raven has made some pretty damn good games

[Dr_Cornholio]

Yeah were talkin Star Trek : Elite Force here I know, but still, this is Quake were talking bout - they're must have huge pressure on themselves - Quake players ain't gonna accept anything below par.

Ok, Q3 does not have double jumps n stuff like that - that is dissapointing, but I stick to my word

[M^tster]

Q4 is being made bu raven, but id is still getting money from it so..anyways I have a link to the q4 trailer in another thread thats about oh id say 3 weeks old.Not sure but sounds right.

[X'tyfe]

im not saying quake3 is bad, heck i even got sucked into it when it came out
but quickly realized how crappy it was, unlike all the people still playing it today

things that bug me are that there are charecters like doom and old quake charecters that dont belong in quake3
second, the weapons look crappy, such as the machinegun not look like a machinegun
and the ammo boxes look like they were done in 2 seconds
the other charecters could have used some more thought too
there arnt many game types either, but that was fixed i guess with teamarena

the game is still popular today, gamers swear by it
like it was a gift from god. that bugs me the most

in a nut shell, mutliplayer only games are not ID's forte
they shoud stick to what the do best and leave multiplayer to unreal tournement, but thats also becoming crappy like quake3

btw, the bfg isnt that much better, its alot more cheaper
a kick in the teeth too that the made it rapid fire instead of the classic bfg

[M^tster]

Ahh here ya go, this should make you happy http://www.quake4game.com/

 

[X'tyfe]

i see that they made the quake4 marine better
looked awful before

[banes]

I can tell you all now that Quake IV is gonna be a BIG dissapointment. Why, you ask, this is why:
Firstly, Raven Software, not id Software as creator
Then, of course, if I asked you to describe Quake, you would probably say the term 'fast-paced' somewhere along the line. Quake IV is gonna have Max Payne-style bullet time bullshit. That's gonna be a disaster in the Quake world.

Quake III does not suck - it is different to Quake II and as soon as you've played it for a while, you will see that in some ways, it's better than Quake 2. Examples:
Obviously the graphics!
Plasmagun is better than hyperblaster!
BFG is better (it would been cool to have the BFG rays as well)
No blaster! Even the gauntlet is better than the blaster! And you start off with a machingun as well!
Lightning gun is cool!
Team-based matches are way better now coz now you can see where team members are, as well as their health, armor and weapon use. It's also easier to send team messages.
Better multiplayer menu setup.
Extra powerups - invisibility, haste, regeneration

But then again, Q3 does have its letdowns:
Handgrenades woulda been cool!
The GUI is not as simple and easy to use as Q2.
Even if you have a legitimate copy, it will still harass you for your CD-key online

Now, if you have a good PC, Quake 3 is amazing on LAN! Try it sometime

you have just proved why you are a newb yet again, and also you have illustrated exactly why the gaming industry is the shit it is today, who needs to produce games with good gameplay when we can sell to idiots like you by just using the best graphics available and putting in as many gimmicks as possible, thats crap, you play a game for gameplay, and q2 gameplay > q3 gameplay, this may be harder for you to understand because you are probably at such a low level of skill in either game that higher level gameplay is not a factor for you, but maybe you will believe me when i tell you this, quake 2 relied on a balance of strategy and aim, where as quake 3 shifted the balance from strategy and focused more heavily on aim, this is why newbs (you) like this game more, you didnt have to be as strategic to succeed in this game, as far as q3 goes, you improve your aim, you improve your game, you improve your strategy, well someone who just improved their aim will still kick your ass

"Obviously the graphics!" - graphics are only cool the first time you see everything, then you get used to it and you no longer care anymore, as far as the best players are concerned, in order to get the best fps at the time, they usually crap down their games alot, i remember when i used to play i would make my graphics look like quake 2 almost

"Plasmagun is better than hyperblaster!" - they are different weapons, they have different functions, to say plasmagun is better than hyperblaster, is like saying railgun is better than rocket launcher, apples and oranges, but i will give you this, plasma gun is easier to use, perfect for newbs

"BFG is better (it would been cool to have the BFG rays as well)" - bfg is for newbs, nothing further on that

"No blaster! Even the gauntlet is better than the blaster! And you start off with a machingun as well!" this is actually bad, the machine gun was TOO good of a weapon to start off with further defeating the point of strategy and boosting up aim, if you had good aim with the machine gun, you could kill someone with the WEAPON you spawned with, even if they have a good weapon they had to look for, its almost like starting off with the ssg in quake 2 (which was the problem in quake 1) the gauntlet was cool tho

"Lightning gun is cool!" - lighting gun is cool, as cool as chaingun, not better than q2 in this aspect, really they require nearly the same skills to use, i dont see why you would have beef with the chaingun if you liked the lightning gun

"Team-based matches are way better now coz now you can see where team members are, as well as their health, armor and weapon use. It's also easier to send team messages." - we have loc files available with q2 which have the same function of telling where you are, you can indicate if you are low on health through a team bind, thats really the only function you need, we dont need to know if you are healthy and strong

"Better multiplayer menu setup." - wow that is one of the most retarded reasons ever, i remember a long time ago when i was talking to my friend and i was telling him, ya i was thinking about buying soldier of fortune, but i opted to buy half life instead because it had a better multiplayer menu setup...oh no wait i never said that BECAUSE IM NOT AN IDIOT AND DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THIS

"Extra powerups - invisibility, haste, regeneration" - newbly items, this is why they make mods, for newbs like you that like spammy gimmicky games, while were at it, lets throw in the defense item, the vampiric aura item, the grappling hook, the reflector item which causes your enemies to take half the damage they inflict upon you, the no clip item, the  banana peel item, the red shell item, and mega buster upgrade

this post has been pwnt

[X'tyfe]

i agree
i cant stand any new games now cus there all full of crap
i mainly just play those for the single player

[Bleach]

banana peel item? HELL YEAH! i need one of them in Q2.. id whup soooo much ass

but excellent post banes... couldnt have put it better myself (and im sure you are sooo honored)

[daelmun]

Yep, banes pwnted you there I'm afraid. q2>q3

That being said I must say quakeworld has got something going on with the fuhquake client, it looks awesome and at least the qw movement require some skill to learn. The q3 physics are like a newbie friendly version of q2, without the doublejumps which is what makes q2dm1 the best map ever. Q3 might be fun now and then, and for a neutral observer it sure looks more fun with it fancy frags. But I still prefer q2 or qw over q3, don't play qw on servers but it's actually quite suprising how good fuhquake looks compared to quake2 and the gameplay is mad fast as well. q3 sorta fall in between two chairs, with it's newbie movement and aim oriented gameplay cpma might be better, but the doublejumps there feels so fake/limited it's horrible.

q4 can't live up to peoples expectations just like d3 couldn't. But if it unite all the quake players somehow (which is impossible) they (raven/id) sure should get some sort of nobel prize for it

[X'tyfe]

qw is to competitive, i tried it for a month, cant stand it
quake3 is pretty much the same

but quake2, is slow and laid back. which is why i play it more then anything

[Gene]

ROFL bout the fnshow thing ... but why dis Quake 3? What's wrong with Q3?

[banes]

ROFL bout the fnshow thing ... but why dis Quake 3? What's wrong with Q3?  ???

It sucks, thats why.

ps. Banes didn't we discuss the comma spam? sheesh 

lol i refuse to write with the same grammar on these forums that i use in my english papers
i <3 you Nubee