Gross abuse of vote system (wetarded, xcessive)

[R. Borlax]

Hi,

I just started playing jump about a week ago, and in my short time on the server, I have become quite frustrated at the players "}wetarded{" and "Xcessive" for abusing the vote system.

What happens is, }wetarded{ immediately uses "level 1" at the start of each map, completes the map with his little rocketpack or whatever, then pretty much immediately votes for a new map. I have never once seen him make an actual attempt at doing a single jump, no matter how big or small. If his vote doesn't pass, he votes again. And then again. If it still hasn't passed, he reconnects, and the cycle starts over again. This is extremely annoying, because usually pretty much everyone else is actually making an effort to either get better or get a good time. It is annoying because eventually enough people who suck as bad as I do will join, and think that by continually voting for new maps, they will find one they can do. If only jumpmod were really that easy.

Then there's Xcessive. He, much like }wetarded{, treats the server like a chatroom, and spends 99% of his time talking and also grossly abusing the vote system, and an extremely small amount of his time playing.

It is frustrating enough being new to jumpmod and trying to master all the different jumps. What is the most frustrating, however, is getting somewhere on a map, working towards finishing it, and then one of these guys votes for a new map, which winds up passing.

I'm not usually one to complain, at least not without what I feel is a reasonable gripe anyway. Is this how the jump server at tastyspleen usually is? Playing for 5 minutes, having the map changed, playing the new map for 5 minutes, having the map changed again, repeat ad nauseum? It's not very enjoyable. The ignore feature in r1q2 is a godsend when one of these guys are on the server, but you can't ignore map change after map change after map change. I humbly request something be done about these players. Again, they are not on the server making an effort to get better, or even play the game, but to chat, SPAM, and change maps continually. I tried playing on wireplay last night, but my ping there is 130+. I would gladly leave the tastyspleen server and play somewhere else instead of complaining if I could find another server where I don't ping so high.

Thanks for reading. I welcome all feedback - good, bad, or otherwise. Also, I am not the only player fed up with these 2 chatting/spamming/votespamming players mentioned in this thread. I hope the others will also say their piece in this thread as well.

[console]

I just started playing jump about a week ago, and in my short time on the server, I have become quite frustrated at the players "}wetarded{" and "Xcessive" for abusing the vote system.

Thanks for posting your observations and concerns.

Want to help admin the jump server?   

In any case, I'm open to suggestions.  Unfortunately I don't have much time to monitor the jump server personally.  But this isn't the first time these issues have been brought up.  It would be great to be able to deputize an army of admins to be able to cover the server round the clock and prevent griefers from disrupting the gameplay.  Sadly, it's hard enough to find any levelheaded, non-abusive admins, let alone a whole army of them.

It might be neat if jumpmod supported disallowing people from calling votes until they had X number of map completions, or something.  But there's no way to do that that I know of.

So what are the options?  Ban "annoying" players from the server?  It would be great if there were options that were less heavy-handed, such as taking away their ability to call votes for a week or two.  But I don't think that's an available option.

Suggestions?


Regards,

[ToxicMonkey^MZC]

I've noticed that if a player is voted to be silenced (it happens to me quite a lot deservedly and undeservedly) their ability to call votes is cancelled, even if they reconnect, until the next map comes on.

Try to silence them is one of the only solutions I can see.  The only problem with that is there are so many idiots and noobs now on jump they sort of stick together and it's hard to get a silence vote pushed through.

The only other solution, as Mr console has pointed out, is to have active admins in the server when this behaviour is happenning who can either cancel the vote or ban the player for the duration of the current map being played...this solution leaves the poor admin wide open to calls of "admin abuse!" though.

Hmmm tricky.  I whole heartedly agree with R. Borlax in this matter.  wetarded (very aptly named), Xcessive and a few others can make the jump server a very stressful place to be for genuine players who are trying to enjoy a challenging map.

Is there a way of stopping players from doing multiple reconnects in a given time period?

[R. Borlax]

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I hear you. It's one thing to bitch and moan about a problem, and it's another thing entirely to come up with a reasonable solution. I definitely wouldn't want to see anyone banned, not my intent at all. It would be nice if there could be voting restrictions, but as you said that's not really an option. The only options I'm aware of are: 1. ban, 2. permasilence. Both are definitely a bit extreme and unnecessary. I've actually tried telling them both how annoying votespamming is, and I've seen others explain to them that the reason some people find them so annoying is because people are trying to finish a map, and don't want votes to come up all the time while they're trying to get their jump on =] But, they don't listen to anyone and continue to constantly vote for their own enjoyment, maintaining no interest whatsoever in completing maps, or even improving their game. Maybe one of the more well known, level header players who've been around for a while could help admin, and if things get out of control while they're on, they could warn votespammers that they need to stop, and if they don't they'll be kicked. Not like kicking prevents anyone from rejoining right away, but maybe the idea that some type of authority figure is around will make them more hesitant about their actions. Kicking is a temporary solution that I don't think is too harsh at all, and would (hopefully) teach them that their behavior needs to change. Just a thought off the top of my head. I realize there's no simple solution here, and I appreciate your time reading my rant as well as your reply.

[R. Borlax]

I've noticed that if a player is voted to be silenced (it happens to me quite a lot deservedly and undeservedly) their ability to call votes is cancelled, even if they reconnect, until the next map comes on.

Yep, I like that how that works!

Try to silence them is one of the only solutions I can see.

[Homeslice]

console he siad he has just started playing jumpmod and you want to make him admin???

[jägermonsta]

Why wouldn't he want to? He doesn't act like you and your buddies.

[Disco Karate]

I agree.

[console]

Level 1 admin currently serves the devious purpose of allowing people to do whatever they like and be invincible to any group decisions - leading to the constant complaints here on the jump forum.  Getting rid of it may upset a few people, but I feel the only ones who would be truly upset would be the ones who are currently exacerbating the problem.

Yeah, it's unfortunate that it works that way. 

We could try removing level 1 access, yeah.

Another thing I'm considering trying is giving a customized level 2 admin to, say, the top 10 or 15 ranked players on the server.  This admin level would give the ability to silence players, and nothing else. . . . It's true such a thing would almost surely be 'abused' by some, but, in essence it would be like a privilege afforded the top players.

It would definitely change the tone of the server a bit... but it might be worth trying.


Regards,

[occ_Undertaker_VA]

console i gota problom goto your server k?

[salamander]

I have to comment on this as well. How about an age requirement? It seems all the abusers are around 10-12 years old. The only problem is, I have no idea how to enforce this. Xcessive, who seems to now be the main instigator, is 10. C**t F**K is 11, and the list goes on. I'm not saying that age is always a factor, you have Dork, who's 14 and pretty mature in all the times I've played with him. The only problem with making a top 15 admin list, is that not all your top 15 players are exactly mature. Would you really want to give b0at an admin priv.? He's probably in the top 15 if I had to guess...  I enjoy jumping, as it's a nice way to take a break from what I'm doing and play a little. I was just trying to do that now, however, xcessive's changed the map twice in 10 mins, so it makes it tough.
 I've said it to you and I'll say it again, I have a lot of free time during the day hours, let me know what you need, no matter how small or large the project, I'll be glad to lend my hand.

salamander

[Homeslice]

                                                         SUP SAL








exactly wtf i siad. the 2nd idea about admin i like though. salamander would be a good admin...

[GhandI]

Level 1 admin currently serves the devious purpose of allowing people to do whatever they like and be invincible to any group decisions - leading to the constant complaints here on the jump forum.

[jägermonsta]

perfect fix for the jump server and all it's problems: take down the server. 

[ToxicMonkey^MZC]

this is the best idea ever...and if anyone of the top 15 players abuse such power (i can see boat/pitri/whatever quickly falling under that catagory), it can be taken away.....

if this idea doesnt come to pass, try me =] i never have and never will abuse power (accept my ability to play q2 at work

Who the fuck are you kidding, halo?