2c10 is not smart

[plastik]

Console, I would hope you see that the bans you said that weren't warranted were a slight abuse of power.  Even though you were notified after in 'good faith'.  The damage is already done, and who ever did the banning had their fun, simple as that.  Whoever did the bans obviously didn't expect them to stay long, just long enough to laugh to themselves about it.  I believe they only notified you so they wouldn't get in trouble when it was brought to your attention by those banned.  So in short, Unreasonable bans = not cool, and there should be a probationary period where those who did ban lose their power to do so for a while.  And like you said, a kick should always be used first unless the situation calls for a ban.  That shouldn't be preference, but policy.  It's odd how none of them seemed to have been warned with a kick, and went straight to the ban list. 

 

[console]

Console, I would hope you see that the bans you said that weren't warranted were a slight abuse of power.  Even though you were notified after in 'good faith'.  The damage is already done, and who ever did the banning had their fun, simple as that.  Whoever did the bans obviously didn't expect them to stay long, just long enough to laugh to themselves about it.

I guess I can go into it in detail, and provide full context for what I and the refs discussed privately about these bans, but this has already taken up more time than I would have liked.  For now I'll just say thanks for your concerns, but I think you're somewhat off the mark.  (However, someone did get ref privileges suspended over a couple of these bans. But for the most part I would say you're off base if you assume the refs were banning "just for fun" without reason.)

I believe they only notified you so they wouldn't get in trouble when it was brought to your attention by those banned.

The neat thing about believing things is it relieves you of the burden of getting the facts. 

In this case, I don't think your beliefs match what really happened.

It's odd how none of them seemed to have been warned with a kick, and went straight to the ban list. 

Some were warned and kicked beforehand.  Some weren't.  As always, I would agree warnings and kicks are usually preferable prior to banning.  Sometimes it takes a little while to explain to new refs that in exchange for the power to kick and ban, they're burdened with certain procedures to follow in order to use those powers.  But it's a dynamic system, and we try to judge motive and circumstances, not just black & white rules...


Regards,

[plastik]

[speculation]

well the reason why I assumed it was just for fun, was the simple fact that I know some of these ref's and those who were banned have problems getting along, and don't usually see eye to eye.  When you see someone ban someone they usually argue with, or talk down about, without more information, you can only assume they did so for their own personal reason, OR made the situation out to be worse than it is so that it 'qualifies' for a ban (looking for a reason)... either way if it wasn't warranted, it was either a huge error in judgement, or there is some underlying reason (i.e. personal)

"I believe they only notified you so they wouldn't get in trouble when it was brought to your attention by those banned."

why else would they notify you that they had banned this person?  are they required to tell you?  If it was unwarranted, they had to of known that whatever the person did probably wasn't worthy of a ban.  And In knowing that, they had to assume that It would be removed as soon as it was made known.  Basicly, it looks better on a person to get their side of the story out first.  Instead of the 'victim' coming in a yelling 'Why Was I banned?'  (i.e. in a court of law, sometimes defendents are shown less punishment for turning themselves in and telling the truth from the start, of what they did, as opposed to lieing about why the entire time.  And unlike court, we have logs of what really happened, so there is really no point in lieing or covering things up...best to get it out in the open earlier than later, and save some explaining (and possibly reputation/face)...I'm sure you would of been more displeased with the situation if you hadn't been notified at all until one of the banned notified you.)

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but I think it is good how you handled the situation.  Hopefully, people will take the proper steps in the future to deal with these situations..and think before they do.

[yodasmyBONG!]

funny...seems like plastik and ridix are the only level-handed people here.

keep hackin......

[Om3ga]

blah blah blah, blah blah blah!

why cant we all be friends ?

[plastik]

and now that omega posts here...the thread dies, and is never heard from again, like all the others

 

[Om3ga]

no, " fuck me "   

continue plz.

[console]

funny...seems like plastik and ridix are the only level-handed people here.

"Yeah... If you have shit for brains." -- Dr. Gonzo       j/k plastik

Very funny, titties...

keep hackin......

titties is there something you're trying to tell us?

[console]

why else would they notify you that they had banned this person?

In this case, the ref had already been asking about situations in which bans were appropriate. So when the ban occurred, the ref contacted me and said, "I think this ban was appropriate because: reason A; reason B."

I'll admit i kind of agreed with the ref.... but I removed the bans anyway.

Regards,

[haunted]

plastik you should just chill. you get off a little too much to e-excitment, honestly. It's almost like you LOVE IT when negative things happen in the community, no matter how minute you love to try and make it bigger. all of this shit gets way too overanalyzed, let the people who always handle it handle it so no feathers are being ruffled. I mean this is a gaming forum hahah

[plastik]

I live to oppose those with 'power' who prey on the 'weak'.


you ever fought in court to get someone's kid back?

or beat the shit out of someone for raping someone?

or testify against a police officer for abusing their power?

you even looked a man in the eyes while he took his last breaths?

try to be a man in real life first, instead of trying to flex your e-muscles.

and sometimes people need a wake up call, or to have their 'feathers ruffled'

you have no idea what awaits you in life high school kid.

funny how you kids today got the nerve to think cause you got opinions, your somebody to reckon with.

don't you notice?  no matter what I say, you always agree with the opposite...no matter which way is correct. 

[10zx]

Here's what peopel don't understand.

There was 2 scenes.  FFA and TDM

The General bitching about bans is mostly by FFA players mingling into TDM.  They have no concept on the history some players have in the TDM scene.  We howevr know the tendencies of these "kids" and obviously take the correct course of judgement on making these decisions.  It's easy to stand on teh outside and point fingers, but granted you were in the same position and some kid kept trying to ruin a game for everyone, what would you seriously do?

Basically this is the way of saying, "we don't appricate your bullshit, please leave, we have pleanty of other servers you can be a dick on."

I don't expect any of you to understand present decisions without knowing the past of players.

[Om3ga]

never seen shit like this on these forums b4.

there wasnt any bitching a while back. 

[magical pig]

never seen shit like this on these forums b4.

there wasnt any bitching a while back. 

coldflo, fr4gg3r, etc....
 

[haunted]

I live to oppose those with 'power' who prey on the 'weak'.


you ever fought in court to get someone's kid back?

or beat the shit out of someone for raping someone?

or testify against a police officer for abusing their power?

you even looked a man in the eyes while he took his last breaths?

try to be a man in real life first, instead of trying to flex your e-muscles.

and sometimes people need a wake up call, or to have their 'feathers ruffled'

you have no idea what awaits you in life high school kid.

funny how you kids today got the nerve to think cause you got opinions, your somebody to reckon with.

don't you notice?  no matter what I say, you always agree with the opposite...no matter which way is correct. 

I don't disagree with you, I just define the line between reality and the internet. If you find that offending then you obviously have trouble telling where that line is.

'I live to oppose those with 'power' who prey on the 'weak'.'

That's fine and dandy in all, but when you put so much effort to impliment what you 'live for' in the e-world.. that is called not having a life.