M. the big liar

[0rbisson]

Ok so this guy M. enters DM claiming that shloo has personally seen his pak filed and has cleared him of all wrong doing. I don't believe for a second shloo even knows who this fuckwit is.

M. entered the game
M. failed 5 file checks.
(Me)  look at all m failed files
M.: i gladly show you my pakfile
(Me) DO IT show all your failed files. Post if on the forums. I bet you won't
M.: i sent my pakfile to shloo
(Me) No you fucking didnt. Post it on the forums for all to see
M.: this pak file is very old
M.: and i 100% doubt anything illegal in it
(Me) type acinfo M. in your console. the server doesnt lie
[NV]z00m X 4: do not talk to him m.
M.: shloo allready saw
(Me) No she didnt
M.: she did lol

So Shloo lets clear this up. did this numbskull send you his pak file? if not he should be kicked by the server until he removes whatever he is using. If he's lying about this he definitely is hiding something.

[Shloo]

Confirming that no one has sent me pak files to verify.

Also reminding everyone that all those file checks mean is that he has a custom sound pak, not necessarily that he's cheating

[Shloo]

(dm) DeadlyAce: server log doesnt lie
(dm) DeadlyAce: 5 failed files
(dm) DeadlyAce: which means they have been flagged as KNOWN cheats
(dm) DeadlyAce: i will condump this and send it to shloo ymself. and gret z00m muted for being a retard

There seems to be some level of misunderstanding here.  Anticheat will flag files that don't match the base files.  That does NOT mean the files are known cheats.  It *can* mean that, but it can also just mean they have a personalized sound pak.


Fortunately for many of us, it takes a much more than a lack of knowledge to get muted on a TS server 

[Shloo]

Someone is a Big Liar here, but its not M.

I don't like being manipulated. Here's the whole condump from this conversation, with the peanut gallery removed to save space.

You've done some creative editing in the 'condump' you've posted.  M never claimed to have sent me his pak files. You edited that. He never claimed I had seen his pak files, he was referring to this forum post, which I HAVE seen and responded to.  I think it's pretty obvious who the dishonest one is here.

M.: i sent my pakfile to shloo

was actually

(dm) M.: if you want
(dm) M.: i send my pakfile to shloo

You edited the context out of that, and changed the tense.   


Further,

M.: shloo allready saw
(Me) No she didnt
M.: she did lol

Was referring to this forum post. Not to his pak files.

I took you at your word when I responded to your post originally, now I've learned your quotes can't be trusted. 

To M. :  Really sorry about your mom, and sorry you had to deal with this on top of it.

So Shloo lets clear this up

I hope the condump below clears this up for everyone :/

(dm) DeadlyAce: look at all m failed files
(dm) DeadlyAce: using illegal footsteps and rail beep
(dm) M.: i gladly show you my pakfile
(dm) DeadlyAce: type acinfo M. in console dipshit
(dm) DeadlyAce: it show all your failed files
(dm) DeadlyAce: illegal ones
(dm) M.: they not
(dm) DeadlyAce: thats why they are failed files
(dm) M.: if you want
(dm) DeadlyAce: they have been marked as cheats
(dm) M.: i send my pakfile to shloo
(dm) DeadlyAce: post it on the forums then for all to see
(dm) DeadlyAce: u wont though
(dm) M.: sure
(dm) M.: itss kinda funny
(dm) DeadlyAce: failed 4 footstep files and rail beep
(dm) M.: i saw the forum post about me
(dm) DeadlyAce: so you are using the loud illegal metal footsteps
(dm) M.: noo
(dm) M.: theyre not
(dm) DeadlyAce: post it then
(dm) DeadlyAce: without removing the files
(dm) DeadlyAce: they have been flagged by anticheat because they are known cheats
(dm) M.: this pak file is very old
(dm) M.: and i 100% doubt anything illegal in it
(dm) DeadlyAce: type acinfo M. in your console. the server doesnt lie
(dm) M.: i see the forum post
(dm) DeadlyAce: 5 failed files
(dm) M.: its still bogus
(dm) DeadlyAce: it means they are known cheats in your folder
(dm) M.: the person accusing me
(dm) M.: showed a clip
(dm) M.: he himself uses other sound for mega and armor pickips
(dm) DeadlyAce: post it now then
(dm) M.: i can tell you, those are worse than my rg sound
(dm) DeadlyAce: you wont though
(dm) DeadlyAce: because you know
(dm) M.: i dont have account
(dm) DeadlyAce: lol
(dm) M.: but when i have time
(dm) M.: i will
(dm) DeadlyAce: told ya
(dm) DeadlyAce: fraud
(dm) M.: i got this aloot lately
(dm) DeadlyAce: zoom look at the fucking server log idiot
(dm) DeadlyAce: server log doesnt lie
(dm) DeadlyAce: 5 failed files
(dm) DeadlyAce: which means they have been flagged as KNOWN cheats
(dm) DeadlyAce: i will condump this and send it to shloo ymself. and gret z00m muted for being a retard
(dm) M.: shloo allready saw
(dm) DeadlyAce: no she didnt
(dm) M.: she did lol
(dm) M.: she posted in the topic
(dm) M.: go see
(dm) DeadlyAce: ishe said NOTHING about your pak
(dm) M.: cus they also said m. and mon are same person
(dm) DeadlyAce: post your pak file
(dm) M.: and we are not
(dm) DeadlyAce: she said nothing about your pak and failed files
(dm) M.: but she saw it
(dm) M.: thats how the topic started
(dm) DeadlyAce: no she fucking didnt
(dm) DeadlyAce: im posting your lies right now
(dm) M.: many people obsessed here
(dm) M.: i dont know man
(dm) M.: in the past i played EU servers
(dm) M.: never seen this talk
.....
(dm) M.: i just dont have the mindset to argue now
(dm) M.: i lost my mom yesterday
(dm) M.: i just try to get some distractyion

[|iR|Focalor]

Confirming that no one has sent me pak files to verify.

Also reminding everyone that all those file checks mean is that he has a custom sound pak, not necessarily that he's cheating

Possibly incorrect.

95% sure this is true: In the case of the footsteps and railgun hum specifically, if AC is flagging it, they match hash checks for known sounds that are considered questionable.

I've made a dozen or more paks over the years, none of them using different footstep sounds to my recollection (I didn't see a need, also didn't want to appear as though I was trying to use modded step sounds for any kind of advantage/cheat), but I usually did use brand new self-created railgun hum and firing sounds. At the time, I also used and promoted the use of Anticheat religiously. I was never flagged for any of my railgun sounds obviously because they were new and did not match anything on the hash list.

 I will admit, once or twice at most in my earlier days of playing at TS (2007 to 2010), I may have used a beeping BFG hum sound in a pak, which is technically a cheat... but it's an anti-lame-o poor sport detecting kind of cheat, so... It was maybe kinda socially acceptable I suppose. I also used a modified spawn sound (had a robot woman voice saying "entering arena") so I could tell when someone spawned in behind me during an FFA game (I got tired of getting shot in the back by spawns I couldn't hear. I do no and have never played competitive TDM/1v1, and if I did, I would obviously have not used that sound for it as it would've CLEARLY been a cheat. Then again,... theres almost never a BFG in 1v1 cuz it's lame (take notes here, 888). And unlike some people, the reason why I don't want to cheat is not fear of consequences of getting caught, but because cheating ruins the fun of a game that is otherwise fair and honest, not just for others, but for me too.

That said... neither one of those "cheat" sounds were ever flagged by anticheat. Clearly they were not stock sounds. Only explanation is they were not flagged because they were not on the hash list.

[0rbisson]

Those failed files have been specifically flagged by anticheat meaning they are known to be at least questionable. And if he was to try join a server say NADL which kicked for those files he would not be able to join. They are known questionable exploits.

[|iR|Focalor]

Those failed files have been specifically flagged by anticheat meaning they are known to be at least questionable. And if he was to try join a server say NADL which kicked for those files he would not be able to join. They are known questionable exploits.

I don't think that's the ONLY way AC works though. For certain sounds, I think it only flags if the sounds match something on the hash list and are KNOWN. For models, however, (or at least only certain ones) it might compare them against a hash list of original stock models to check for any UNKNOWN modified models.

[Shloo]

Possibly incorrect.

95% sure this is true: In the case of the footsteps and railgun hum specifically, if AC is flagging it, they match hash checks for known sounds that are considered questionable

I did slightly misspeak.  Anticheat isn't comparing files to *base files*, its comparing the files to a list of hashes from files that are known to be ok.  Basically the exact opposite of what Orbisson is suggesting. It's not running M.'s files through a list of known cheats and setting off a flag. It's checking to see if his files match our hash list of files known to be OK. If they aren't on the list it flags as modified.

All this means is that he has custom sounds that aren't white listed in AC.  We used to build up this list and include custom files that we knew were ok. Foc's paks were probably added to that list, which is why they wouldn't have returned a modified flag when using AC.

[|iR|Focalor]

Possibly incorrect.

95% sure this is true: In the case of the footsteps and railgun hum specifically, if AC is flagging it, they match hash checks for known sounds that are considered questionable

I did slightly misspeak.  Anticheat isn't comparing files to *base files*, its comparing the files to a list of hashes from files that are known to be ok.  Basically the exact opposite of what Orbisson is suggesting. It's not running M.'s files through a list of known cheats and setting off a flag. It's checking to see if his files match our hash list of files known to be OK. If they aren't on the list it flags as modified.

All this means is that he has custom sounds that aren't white listed in AC.  We used to build up this list and include custom files that we knew were ok. Foc's paks were probably added to that list, which is why they wouldn't have returned a modified flag when using AC.

Nope, mine were never added. Ask railwolf or maybe qwazywabbit, pretty sure for footsteps it only flags if they are known loudsteps. Test it yourself if you wanna. Drop AC in your folder, take a few extra step files and use sound recorder to boost the hell outta the volumes. I betcha it won't flag them.

Hell, I'm not really sure it even flags modded player models. I always kinda thought I could've used a modeller to add my own spikes to a model and create cheat models that I could use WITH anticheat loaded. Never actually tried it though. Modelling takes too much time to do something like that just to satisfy my own unimportant curiosity. PLus theres the fact that you gotta ANIMATE the player models... and I don't do animations anyway, I only ever learned how to do static models.

Still, the biggest question to me is... why the hell is he even using AC to begin with? It's outdated and most people don't bother with it anymore. Is this guy forced to use it for some reason? If so... well maybe things like failed footstep file checks are one of many reasons WHY someone didn't trust him enough to play without it .

[RailWolf]

Greetings,

The anticheat file checking works by checking against a list of hashes on the server. I was heavily involved in the creation of our list.
If the file hash does not match what is in our list, then anticheat shows it as a modified file.

Just to sanity check what you're saying Foc, I swapped my step1 and step2 filenames so that they no longer match the hash, it definitely flags them.

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The Rage
Read 44 map locations from 'locs/ztn2dm3.loc'
anticheat Test has a modified sound/player/step1.wav
anticheat Test has a modified sound/player/step2.wav
Test entered the game
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type 'goto' for server info
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anticheat Test failed 2 file checks.

acinfo
Usage: acinfo [name/id]. This will show a list of modified files the player is using that do not match the server-configured hash list.

[|iR|Focalor]

Just to sanity check what you're saying Foc,

Well shit. Dunno why all my paks used to pass muster then. Pretty sure nobody was taking the time to add them to the list. Feel sorry for whoever that did, if they did.

[Shloo]

I haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but wanted to put in here that M. has given me the pak in question.  So far this guy has been upfront and done what he's said he would.  I'll update tomorrow night after I look through it, but, files have been received by admins

[Shloo]

M. has sent me his pak, I've loaded his pak, there is no problem with his pak.  Case closed.

[0rbisson]

M. has sent me his pak, I've loaded his pak, there is no problem with his pak.  Case closed.

can you upload the offending files so we can all use them then?

[Funnyman]

Good point. Just upload the pak and make it available to all. Then we close case.