Clemency for the banned?

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Just shut up you pointless sack of shit, nobody left around here agrees with any of your views or wants to see what you write and everyone around here (everyone, believe it) is sick of you deliberately driving people away from this forum.

SgtDick agrees with me. Railwolf agrees with me. Hell, even Shloo probably agrees with me.

Costigan chooses to live in an alternative reality

Keep proving who you are.

You still miss the point of this. When you post to people talking about Quake shit or anything else, that's just you being a normal person and I don't jump in the middle of it because I don't object to it - why would I?  But when you post misinformation, I'm gonna fact check you because otherwise disgruntled youngsters like you and fader are gonna be convincing everyone that this community treats people unfairly... spreading that narrative should concern you since you seem to be so concerned that I could be driving people away.

[XANA]

I think Spawny should have been banned much sooner. If not for her sake, for everybody else's sake.

When she started to misinterpret greetings and hallucinate personal attacks out of nowhere is when she should have been banned. I don't know exactly when this happened.

I don't think what ultimately happened to Laura was unfair. It was the best thing that could have happened when she was at the point she was at.

Could something else have been worked out? Is it even worth it to think about it? I don't think so.

There were so many times Laura stepped over the line, I can't even begin to imagine how many. She definitely abused peoples' trust and harassed others. There are people who did the same thing to her as well. I can say that because I was one of those people. I don't lose too much sleep over this, however.

There are so many logs, forums posts, and DM's that out there, too many to count. I actually lost all of my logs between March 2010 and May 2010 because my computer had a virus. My parents re-imaged the computer and it deleted my files.

Until a genuine collection of historical data and logs is cultivated in one place, the full, objective timeline and narrative of Spawn Girl will remain hazy for those who don't have the time or patience to sift through everything. Some of the details are a little hazy myself as I don't remember every interaction I've ever had with her.

quadz did and said a lot of things to Laura behind the scenes as well. Some of it became public, some of it didn't. The logs that didn't are what is "lost".

One such example is the exchange she had with quadz where she agreed to license her overrides under a Creative Commons license. This directly disproves the point that her work was "stolen" because the entire email exchange is public: http://forum.tastyspleen.net/quake/index.php?topic=14266.msg149923#msg149923

There are many other examples like this, but it's too many to sift through. This one was memorable because it was a pretty big deal at the time, and it still didn't stop her from publicly posting psychotic rants all the way until late 2011.

I personally don't have any problem talking about Spawn Girl. This happened 14 years ago at this point. I don't see it as being any different than talking about anything else that happened that long ago.

There are many things that Laura did and said that are still funny to me looking back, but are now underpinned with the knowledge they came from a mind that just wasn't well.

That's just my perspective on it. I choose to take an empathetic view on Laura even after all of the lies, harassment, abuse and threats. That's my "problem", if you want to call it that. You may disagree with that, but that's okay with me.

Your perspective may be more negative, or more positive. It may be based on real interactions you had with her or it may be based on hearsay. It is what it is.

As I said before, I just hope Laura's doing better now.

I'll just leave it at that, but if anybody has a genuine problem or if I'm remembering things wrong, just DM me about it for now.


Is traps,
-xana

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I don't think what ultimately happened to Laura was unfair.

  Yes. Thank you.

For the zillionth time, (but for the benefit of anyone reading THIS thread and not one of the numerous others rehashing this same issue),...

the truth is: EVERYONE around here genuinely wanted to be her friend. I was her friend for as long as she would allow it. When she first showed up, I was one of the first friends she made around here. I recruited her into EoM. Unfortunately, her conception of a "Quake2 clan" was informed by watching how CRU (Campers-R-Us) would team up against people on the Vanilla and DM servers. While playing on a server with her... I fragged her, and she got upset and quit the clan on the spot. I later explained to her that "normal" Q2 clans do not team against others on an FFA server because it is considered poor sportsmanship. We remained friends, she rejoined EoM. A day or two later, I ran into her again on Vanilla, I shot her, and AGAIN she got upset and left the clan on the spot. This time I did not attempt to talk her into rejoining again, as clearly she would've been happier in a clan like CRU. And so... she joined CRU. Before long, she got upset with them over something silly and gameplay related and left that clan too. She began making overrides for xatrix mod. Quadz and others gave her lots of help figuring out how to do it properly. She even started her own clan. But for some reason... (I'm not aware of the particulars) she got upset at people in her clan, and kicked EVERYONE out of the clan. The people she kicked out of her clan wanted to continue playing Xatrix and her overrides. At some point, she began threatening to sue Quadz over the usage of her overrides. Long story short, she became too much of a potential liability for Quadz, so she was banned. I'm not sure how it works, but they came to an agreement with some sort of license that would allow Tastyspleen to legally use the content that she "created". (It was not original content - she never made any maps, she converted maps to the Q2 format and then made overrides for item placement, that is all.) It was a perpetually repeating trend - she'd find a reason to get upset with EVERYONE she came into contact with.

Anyone attempting to tell this story any other way was never her friend and never had any contact with her. If they ever did become her friend, inevitably that friendship would've ended with her manifesting a reason to become upset and add them to her ever-growing list of enemies.

Can I sympathize? Sure. It's gotta suck going through life not being able to maintain any stable relationships with anyone.

But I'm not going to patronize someone with a mental malfunction by treating them any differently than anyone else. It's not that I don't "respect" everyone... which I don't, because respect is EARNED. Courtesy, on the other hand, should be given freely to all until they refuse to give it back. I don't care what condition you have, no one is above anyone else in this life - Sam fuckin' Colt made sure of it.

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Folks, never give up power over anything you've made and/or own,

You're diverging from reality again.

she never made any maps, she converted maps to the Q2 format and then made overrides for item placement, that is all.)

For your version of reality to make sense, one would be required to operate under the assumption that she got permission from each and every one of the original map makers from other games to convert those maps to Quake2 maps. So perhaps your advice would be better aimed at the makers of the maps that she converted... because she didn't make any of them.

Imagine me stepping on the throat of an unwanted rabid barking stupid backward hopelessly self-ignorant self-convinced BRAZEN HYPOCRITE of a dog and saying "breath you stupid dog! no one is trying to stop you from breathing! my boot belongs on your neck! how dare you suggest it doesn't! if you don't stop pretending to choke your going to annoy and irk me somewhat and then i'll have no choice but to tie a huge rock to your neck and throw you in the river!"

You can imagine whatever you want to, but... that's kinda why we're where we're at here. You imagine shit that isn't real - I point out reality - You get upset that I don't support "your truth".

I don't even care about SpawnGirl, i never did, i never even interacted with her, ever, lol.

Thanks for proving my point pretty much word for word.

Anyone attempting to tell this story any other way was never her friend and never had any contact with her.

I'm done with this shit.

Good. Thanks.

[Costigan_Q2]

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I'm done with this shit.

Good. Thanks.

Replying angrily to me is not being "done with this shit".

Jesus wept! 

Did he?

no wonder i committed to ignoring you!

Did you?

you can't fucking help yourself!

Can't I?

ps = yer boyfriend beaver's bant. Not coming back. Ever. Come to terms.

pss = You keep referring to me in a negative connotation as a "dog". Apparently something happened in your formative years to put you off to dogs. Personally, I love dogs. They're fun, they're always so glad to see you when you come home, they love you unconditionally, they're just great. I really think you should give dogs another chance.

[Sgt. Dick]

I'm done with this shit.

I doubt it 

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He's gonna spend his money posting my old shit as if that somehow effects me.

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He's gonna spend his time posting my old shit as if that somehow effects me.

That's kinda like money though... cuz I still get to live in his head rent free.

Stay mad, Brody. Fight the good fight.

[Costigan_Q2]

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Brodephus is HANGRY! HAVE A SNICKERS, BOY!