Mass Murderers

[2d]

In light of the new shooting in Santa Barbara, Ca:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-santa-barbara-shooting-20140524-story.html#page=1

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I wanted to share some opinions on the matter and encourage others to share as well.  The killer posted his final video on youtube before he went out shooting and it is very unnerving.

Why didnt this kid simply go out and buy a hooker for the night if he was that sexually frustrated. How can someone live for 22-23 years on this planet and not befriend anyone. Our society is ill.  This is becoming far too common, and more alarming, as it is happening across the entire nation. it is showing just how separated and individualistic we are. Yes this is a free nation, and you are free to think whatever you want, but why is it so hard for people to get along and help each other.

So many fuck heads wake up in the morning and leave all their humanity in the toilet in constant pursuit of money or power or self aggrandizement. I walked into my local grocery store the other day, and the deli worker told me her co-worker passed out, and the customer she was with got upset because she left to aid to the emergency. If i was standing in line with that person, i would knock him upside the head and tell him to stfu.

When i watch the video above, I see a person who is locked into 1 personality, 1 frame of mind, someone lacking the ability to understand what freedom really is, someone unwilling to look at himself in the mirror and ask whether it is he himself that needs to experiment and change.

But at the same time, we as a society, us individually need to look at ourselves in the mirror and figure out whether we are living our life as people who are willing to help, share and communicate. Can we invite that odd person into our circle, and get to know the stranger across the street?
 
Ultimately, are you a person driving down the road, fixated on the traffic light, angry, aggravated and pressing for it to hurry up and turn green, or are you a person who stops at the light, looks up at the sky, appreciates the view of the sun and the surrounding trees, takes a breath, and remembers there's more to life.

My advice to anyone reading this is to suspend your own set of beliefs, routines, and traditions, and spend 1 day every now n then and explore different people and how their personalities work. We are a single species with an infinite rainbow of personalities amongst us. It would be a shame to stay locked within yourself. The more we learn and experiment, the more you will realize that the mysterious truths about life are unlocked from within, and the better we all will be.

You were born a naked being, onto a floating planet consisting of billions and trillions of forms of life, moving throughout an infinity of space. Do not let the 21st century blind you from your existence. We all need each other  to coexist on this world. When one of us is in pain, take it upon yourselves to go out and help. You just may help your brother human, and save an unnumbered amount of dead people as well.

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[fdrjk]

So many fuck heads wake up in the morning and leave all their humanity in the toilet in constant pursuit of money or power or self aggrandizement. I walked into my local grocery store the other day, and the deli worker told me her co-worker passed out, and the customer she was with got upset because she left to aid to the emergency.

i work in a deli, and this is typical everyday shit for me.  fucking bimbos putting themselves above of everything.

But seriously, I actually got in a lot of conversations about this kind of stuff with other people I work with. Mostly about Columbine. The Columbine guys actually made a video for high school called "Hitmen For Hire" where they're shouting into the camera and cursing all over the place. It's unsettling as fuck, and if you look closer, they're with their friends and they look like normal people for the most part.

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It's mostly a psychological thing that really can't be explained to rational people. One of the people I work with tried to kill themselves at work recently, and we always wonder why. We almost always come to the conclusion that it's mostly a mental condition instead of serious chronic depression, which is something that's almost universal understood by most people at this point in society.

I've been reading a lot on suicide, depression, and mass murders recently. There's a huge difference between people who commit murder-suicides and people who just commit suicide. It's more common for a reasonable, rational, and well-minded person to commit suicide than someone like Adam Lanza who is just plain fucked in the head to go on a killing spree. Just imagine what must go through one's mind before they decide to seriously take their own life, and yet hundreds of thousands of people kill themselves every year.

I don't know, I'm getting off track. Only thread up that's somewhat relevant to this stuff. Simple life is an incredibly complex thing.

[Golgo13]

Hate begets more hate. He displayed his yearning for this Culture of money, greed, pride, and sin that is transmitted everywhere.  Even though this man is deeply disturbed, he was blinded by this culture that feels he was deprived of, it's a product of mind manipulation by those who foment this agenda. This culture breeds this kind of hatred and sick resentment. thus is a cycle of an unending chain. which can only be broken by openmindededness and love. we live in a broken world.  It's real sad and sickening.

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[Sgt. Dick]

That guy definitely had issues.  I wish the cops would have done more when they visited him.

Another sad part will be the renewed push to have guns laws changed because of a few sick individuals.

[Nephi]

I don't think we can blame a culture of money, greed, and pride too much, Hayabasa. That's kind of what America was built on and necessary to capitalism. The kid was just a spoiled brat coupled with a mental disease. Had he even had sex the night before he killed, he probably would have found some other lame reason to murder. (PS I go to one of the UC's not Santa Barbara though, fun fact.)

[BIG DICK RICK]

I sort of agree with you 2d but at the same time:

My advice to anyone reading this is to suspend your own set of beliefs, routines, and traditions, and spend 1 day every now n then and explore different people and how their personalities work. We are a single species with an infinite rainbow of personalities amongst us. It would be a shame to stay locked within yourself. The more we learn and experiment, the more you will realize that the mysterious truths about life are unlocked from within, and the better we all will be.

that part, contrary to popular belief to some people around here, I have done a lot over the years.  Most of the gas stations/the two 7-11's, the small dairy shack a mile away, the walgreens close by, they ALL know me by name and I have had extended conversations with ALL the employees of each establishment and when newer people get hired in, I introduce myself and get to know them over the next few days and I will purposely go to the place with the new person since I know everyone else already pretty well, to try to talk to them to get to know them better as I have been in the same area for all 29 years of my life, so I know just about everyone in a 2 mile radius.  So I take the time to get to know complete strangers, but the part I'd like to point out is that although I talk to these people and we know much about each other, I would never hang out with them outside of going to their work environment.  They all seem like very good people, especially the arabs at 7-11, and the elderly couple that run dairy shack and the younger crew that works at the walgreens, but who's to say that if I had invited them over for a BBQ or let them know where I lived or had gone to the bar with them, that they wouldn't try to cause harm to me in some sort of way?  There are SO many fucked up people in this world now, you can't honestly trust ANYONE.  Someone can be as nice as can be to your face, then something in their head snaps as you turn to walk away and they pull a gun on you and shoot you down because they had mental issues, or didn't like the fact that you might look better than them or are more socially adept than they are and in some sort of way, it makes them jealous over you and they want to kill you because of it.  Not sure if I make much sense with this post, I'm just basically trying to say:  You can be nice to someone, try to get to know them and offer encouragement or support in their times of need, but when you turn your back on them to leave, they could gun you down.  It happens all the time, although it might not make breaking news/top news, people kill people over the dumbest shit these days so it's almost hard to be nice to someone or to try to spend time getting to know someone when there's a good chance that same person that gave you a smile and acted perfectly normal, could be a severely mentally ill person that will gun you down out of jealousy/spite/anything that makes their switch flip on. 

I honestly believe it's the parents who create these monsters.  Parents who are too deeply involved in their work that they don't spend enough time watching over their kids as they grow up or spend enough time with them.  This kids dad was a director of a very successful film franchise here, and his dad being single, I'm sure spent VERY LITTLE time with his kid and thus, the kid not having either parent and his dad making all sorts of money, he would just sit at home and sit online for 80 hours a day instead of going out, being social etc.  If his dad were around more, taking him out every week/every other week spending time with him and having him invite his friends along at an earlier age instead of just prolly making the kid stay at home and not allowed to prolly do a whole lot, then I'm sure he would have developed much stronger social skills at an earlier age or with his dad being around more to watch over him, his dad could have spotted that his kid had some kind of a chemical imbalance and the kid could have been properly medicated instead of being alienated and pushed off to the side and not going out, and just sitting in all the time festering on all the kids that do go out and have fun.  TL:DR, I put 90% of the blame on the kids father(although I didn't look up much of the story, I just took a gander/read thoroughly through the link 2d/golgo provided, along with 2 other websites who posted other elements that the other sites didn't), but from what I understand, the father wasn't around much, hell, the neighbors barely knew him and he was in the same town for 20 years.  So that shows how much the guy was around.  Had he taken more time to spend time with his son, instead of wrapping himself so much around his work, I very RARELY doubt that this would have EVER happened.  The parents create these monsters, then send them out to the world to exact their revenge(as they see it) on innocent people who did have good parents and had a good atmosphere for their kids to grow up in.  The kid was driving a black BMW, so I'm sure either HE had money or his father gave him access to large amounts of money so he could have easily bought a 100 dollar hooker and got his jollies off if that's what he was really seeking.  But it was deeper than that, although that's what his main focus is on in his video rant is about girls turning him down and him being a virgin and wanting to have sex.  I just see this as a really dumb thing all together as a whole.  Innocent people got kill as a result of kids father being a horrible parent.  I hope the dad doesn't get much retribution out of this, as that's not what I would like to see, because I'm sure this was a complete wake up call to him and he learned a very valuable lesson from this.  I don't know if he has other kids, but I would highly suggest him making a giant effort(although, if they are adults, they are already shaped and molded, but you can still get through to them, just won't be as easy as if they were young kids), to make time for his kids and really get to know them a whole lot better and to be a better father.  Because he failed very hard with Elliot, I don't care what anyone says, I blame the father.

Hopefully parents who lead a similar, busy/hectic life, have seen this on the news and it's a wake up call to them if they neglect their kids for work, to spend more time with their kids before it's too late.  You brought em into this world, RAISE THEM and raise them RIGHT and this shit won't happen as often.  You can't totally prevent it, but you can make a valiant effort to make sure that it doesn't.  It's not really society imo 2d, it's the parents who were never fit to be parents that made a kid and weren't adept enough to take on the responsibility that came with having a kid, especially if they were just fucking around with a sleeze that popped the kid out and thus making him a single parent.  If he had a good wife, and had someone as a mother figure at home all the time that was responsible/a good person, then again, I don't think this kid would have been ANYTHING like he was in that video.   

Sorry for making such a long post on this, it's just crazy to me that these things happen as often as they do when they can be so EASILY avoided.  Start at the roots, and most of everything else will fall into place with time/good guidance IMO.  /story over

                                                                                                Rick OUT!

[Golgo13]

I don't think we can blame a culture of money, greed, and pride too much, Hayabasa. That's kind of what America was built on and necessary to capitalism. The kid was just a spoiled brat coupled with a mental disease. Had he even had sex the night before he killed, he probably would have found some other lame reason to murder. (PS I go to one of the UC's not Santa Barbara though, fun fact.)

Huh? So getting Laid is an essential slice of americana? Whether or not he would have another reason is speculative. We don't know if anyone tried to befriend him or berate him. He said it had been 8 years. that's a fairly long time for some rich entitled prick to go without any play. his ego was huge. to say that didn't damage his ego in the slightest, because that 's what is expected in america is just asinine.

I don't live by those "principals". America was founded on imperialism, when they the slaughtered Indians. America is not the greatest country in the world anymore because the majority of it's populace is ignorant. The seven deadly sins is alive and well in america yes. However It was  Purposely Maintained that way by the likes of rock n roll of old and the now rap culture of MTV. (Of course that's just my opinion i could be wrong - Old Dennis Miller 1998 )

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[Golgo13]

i also read ricks entire post and he makes very good points in it. 

But i don't think there is any one reason, its quite a few factors.

[adz1La]

People are always looking for an excuse and someone else to blame, because in the end.. Especially with people off of their rocker.. The problem is never their fault..

It happens on this forum, it happens url.. That's just human nature for you.

[ex]

TBH I don't really care about this type of stuff.  Some loser decides to off himself and take a few people with him?  That sucks, but I am a realist:  it's no big loss.  That might sound cold, but it's the truth.  In a world with over 7 billion humans, what impact did that guy actually have in the bigger picture?

I hate idiots like that because instead of trying to solve the world's issues, they become yet another one.  I do feel for the victims...but the world is better off without him...and if a few lives went with him, oh well.  They were replaced with our reproduction rate by the time he finished his spree.  Replaced by 4000 births within the 10 minutes of his spree, to be exact.

I wish there was a way to just ship all the people who don't want to actively participate in society off on their own little island.  You don't wanna be a part of the solution?  Fine by me; go be with your kind.  It's like how the Brits did to the losers in their country hundreds of years ago - just dump them all in some desert shithole on the other side of the world (Australia).  We need that again, except dump them somewhere else.  Maybe the Moon.

[fdrjk]

There are SO many fucked up people in this world now, you can't honestly trust ANYONE.  Someone can be as nice as can be to your face, then something in their head snaps as you turn to walk away and they pull a gun on you and shoot you down because they had mental issues, or didn't like the fact that you might look better than them or are more socially adept than they are and in some sort of way, it makes them jealous over you and they want to kill you because of it.  Not sure if I make much sense with this post, I'm just basically trying to say:  You can be nice to someone, try to get to know them and offer encouragement or support in their times of need, but when you turn your back on them to leave, they could gun you down.  It happens all the time, although it might not make breaking news/top news, people kill people over the dumbest shit these days so it's almost hard to be nice to someone or to try to spend time getting to know someone when there's a good chance that same person that gave you a smile and acted perfectly normal, could be a severely mentally ill person that will gun you down out of jealousy/spite/anything that makes their switch flip on.

You know, my dad always tried to feed me the same "trust no one" shit, but I never listen. The thing is, I seriously value having honest people to trust around me, and I feel like I should do the same for everyone else around me as well. I get really uncomfortable when people start talking shit about others behind their backs, and I just won't do it. With retail, that's kind of what's expected of you. I get people like rick who come in all the time, chat it up, act real friendly, because that's all you can do with a professional environment. I appreciate it, but it's not like we're friends or anything; because I can tell random strangers about my life, and they can tell me about theirs, but we don't know each other at the end of the day. People like that are one step lower than acquaintances for me. The people that I work with are acquaintances, and my friends are people that I know (or at least expect) I can trust, because I wouldn't trust any acquaintance or stranger with my life or anything. I value that, and if they value it too, then that's something special. People can say that that makes me a target, or makes me weak, but I don't care because that's just the type of person I am. I'm not going to change myself just in case by some miracle, I meet some psycho who'll put a bullet in my head.
My main point in this off-topicness is that what I want when I meet people and make friends, is to never make people feel uncomfortable if they need someone to talk to if they're having problems in their life, because that's what most of those serial killers needed when you think about it.

Seriously, if you honestly believe in loving your fellow men, but can't even trust anyone, then you're just bullshitting yourself, and that's not directed at rick BTW.

As for the killer, the more and more I talk about this, I just feel like I'm talking about of my ass. I'm not a psychologist, I'm not a professional, and I don't know any serial killers. I guess it's just easy to say that there are some people who were just doomed from the start, even if that's not really true.
I guess in the end, my true standpoint is that sometimes, life can just overwhelm people.

[Golgo13]

In most cases, people can identify situations based on common sense and experience. although helps to have a PHD when considering official evidence or statuses. The guy probably didn't have many friends, also if he did then they were aquaintances. ya know, the people you talk to but don't really give a shit either way because they got too much going on? yea those people.

yes, you learn as you go to talk to people and be social. who you trust is always up to you. sometimes its good to trust nobody. sometimes it can be lonely. some people take that risk. others do not. at some point you will have to trust a few people. just got to deal with the good and bad that may result.there is no instruction manual. you control who and how much you interact with others. also how perceptive you are or may not be is a factor.

it's clear just by the video the guy was a weirdo. who knows how people treated him. obviously not too bad because he had alot of money. then again he was only around other rich pricks. so they could really give a shit less. very superficial relationships. so  he might have had so much pride, he wouldn't hang around people with lower incomes because he may have seen that as lowly. who knows the real reasons.

all that we know, is that there are grey areas in life. some details we know about, others we will never know. lifes a learning experience. some people get the shit end of the stick. some through ignorance or just by chance. it sucks. Do I trust some and get fooled by phoniness? Or do I trust nobody and live in lonliness? - "Linkin Park"

[Golgo13]

I guess the bottom line is, people  can train themselves to care about others more. even if they're not the type. cut the negativity out. it helps nobody. always be positive and friendly. even in uncomfortable circumstances. people can change who they are anytime they want. The human will is what seperates us from animals.they just need to change their frame of mind. to some people shitting on people feels good. to others helping people in need feels good. You can quit flinging shit at anytime. Because it most cases it gets thrown back. A journey of 1000 miles starts with a single step,  change your everyday routines. anyone can change.

[The Dreaming Dragon]

I see the underlying problem being rooted in our biology. The ONLY reason our flesh puppets have naughty bits is to make more flesh puppets. These biomechanical systems have been incorporated into our worldviews far longer that the social customs regulating them:we've had wee-wees way before we had thumbs. And like any other biological urge they must be recognized categorized and their influences worked around to fit in with the niceties of culture...

"I have to Poop. Should I do it here,in the middle of the mall,between Radio Shack and Hot Topic? Or do I waddle,buttcheeks clenched,to a restroom?" Simple lesson being A Time and a Place for Such Things. Same goes for this back up of sperm my nuts insist on producing,but with more complicated choices.

(to be continued,gotta get back to work now)

[Golgo13]

I see the underlying problem being rooted in our biology. The ONLY reason our flesh puppets have naughty bits is to make more flesh puppets.:we've had wee-wees way before we had thumbs. And like any other biological urge they must be recognized categorized and their influences worked around to fit in with the niceties of culture...

"I have to Poop. Should I do it here,in the middle of the mall,between Radio Shack and Hot Topic? Or do I waddle,buttcheeks clenched,to a restroom?" Simple lesson being A Time and a Place for Such Things. Same goes for this back up of sperm my nuts insist on producing,but with more complicated choices.

(to be continued,gotta get back to work now)

Yes, true. but i think the feeling of pride comes in there. he could have rented a hooker or even went out on a date with some sleaze and offered her money for a good time back at his place. It's more about empowerment under their own circumstances for it to have any real meaning.

 yes, complex it is.