Whatcha smoking?

[[BTF]adam]

Keep it classy boys.

Tobacco thread, make yer own drugs thread!

Smoked one of the Royal Dutch Elites tonight, it lasted over 40 minutes and it was only a small, thin one! (Inb4 cock joke) I don't really know what to say about it, it was pleasant and relaxing to smoke on while watching Haichi - A Dog's Tale with a cup of coffee.

Would smoke again/10.

[|iR|Focalor]

You don't ever do smokeless tobacco?

My normal brand is Grizzly long cut wintergreen. It's pretty cheap, which I like. Only about 2.50 a can most places, compared to about 6.00 for a pack of cigarettes. I'd usually smoke anywhere from a half a pack to a whole pack per day back before I finally quit. I usually go through 1 can of snuff every 2 days, but more accurately I go through 3 cans every week, so it's about 1 can every 2 and 1/3 days. Anyway, I've tried lots of other brands, but don't really like them. None of them have the same strong flavor that Grizzly has, and all the other brands leaf just ain't as moist and juicy as Grizzly. Grizzly comes in a plastic formed can with a metal snap lid, pretty much air tight. Most people think Copenhagen is the best brand, but I hate those wax lined cardboard cans it comes in. The shit dries out within a day after it's been opened. Copenhagen seasons their blend with a touch of some oak aged whiskey to give it their trademark flavor, but you can take any brand and put a splash of whiskey in it, big fuckin deal.

Right now I'm stuck with a can of this Grizzly mint flavored shit. I HATE this crap! Mint should NEVER be in a tobacco snuff! That shit belongs in chewing gum, not snuff. But they were out of my regular shit at the store when the woman went shopping. I would've settled for a wintergreen of another brand... but that's what you get in this house when you aren't specific.

[ex]

I usually never smoke tobacco (hardly smoke pot or anything anymore), but personally I like getting some actual smoking tobacco in the leaf form, and pipe-smoking it.  One of my friends grows his own and I gotta say, it's damn good when it's not adulterated and poisoned like in cigarettes, or most cigars.

The best effects I've gotten is when you take the actual fully-grown bud, dried of course, and smoke that instead of just the leafs.  Very intense feeling, almost like a low-level cocaine rush with quite a hallucinatory effect on it.  Apparently this is what the American Indians used to smoke on solely, and would trip out to have their spiritual mind walks.  I can see it happening if you smoke enough of the bud, that's for sure. 

[[BTF]adam]

I've never tried snuff/dip no, it doesent seem like it would appeal to me especially from how i've seen people use it, their teeth look disgusting like all the time with tobacco in it and they spit a lot, which is equally unpleasant. However, never say never so I will probably try it at some point.

#yolo live.laugh.love <3 lik dis if u cry everytiem!

[haunted]

i don't like it either adam, but check out the pouches(google).. sticking one of those under the lip while fruit booting might not be a terrible idea ;>

[|iR|Focalor]

I wouldn't be smoking uncured tobacco leaf if I were you. That shit can kill you. Even handling the leaves too much without gloves can be fatal.

not adulterated and poisoned like in cigarettes, or most cigars.

Cigarette leaves are cured differently from cigar leaves. Somehow they use ammonia vapors in the flue curing process in order to cause the nicotine in the leaf to vaporize more efficiently when it burns... thus making their content more potent and therefore more addictive, something that the cigarette companies denied doing for a long time. I suppose the process allows the leaf to dry out more thoroughly while allowing the leaf to retain nicotine instead of evaporating it out along with the moisture. Cigarettes sitting open to the air can go stale, but not nearly as quickly as cigars, because the leaves in cigarettes are already very dry. If it were as moist as cigar tobacco, the cigarette would go out all the time. Cigarettes also use paper with miniscule fuels in them in order to make the cigarette burn evenly, otherwise it might burn one side quicker than the other. These "things" they put in the paper are every bit as bad on their own as the tobacco.

Most fancy cigar companies cure their leaves without all that chemistry shit that RJ Reynolds and Brown & Williamson does. They tend to use old style methods of curing, either hanging them in the sun to dry, or more likely, air curing them in a special barn or warehouse. Flue and fire curing tends to add flavors to the leaf, and the better cigar companies don't have to use these methods. They only select the highest grade leaves from the harvests and want these leaves to be the only flavor featured in the smoke. Cheaper cigars will flue and fire cure their stuff though because its typically a quicker method allowing them to produce more. They can also use less than stellar grade leaves in a blend and make it all taste pretty uniform by curing the leaves in smokey air that deposits its flavors across every part of the leaf.

[[BTF]adam]

Yeah so i've been out socialising and shitttttt for like the past 3 days in a row, mad things. Didn't miss my computer once, am I becoming no longer an introvert? wtf is this chit.

so anyway, I hit up the henri winterman fat one at about 5am, bit drunk moody as fuck and had work in the morning, I had just ran about 25 minutes straight from town to where we were staying in the pouring rain, and it was all for that cigar. honestly, highlight of my night. I loveeeeeed it!

Stay classy 

[|iR|Focalor]

THREAD RESURRECTION!

Rode out this morning to pick up a new rolling machine and some papers from this hole-in-the-wall discount tobacco outlet place up the road a piece. Lost my old one, can't find it anywhere. But right beside the single cigarette rollers on the shelf, they had a pretty decent selection of handrolling cigarette tobacco.

I remember about 15 years ago, for a little while I was rolling my own cigarettes with some Top tobacco. Around that time I was also smoking Lucky Strike non-filters regularly, so smoking non-filters wasn't a problem at all. At the time I thought the Top tobacco tasted pretty identical to Lucky Strikes. So I picked up a big ole 3.5oz can of the Top tobacco while I was there. It's actually WAY cheaper than buying ready-made cigarettes in a pack. You can probably roll 200 to 250 or more cigarettes from this one can and the can only cost me 16.99, whereas a carton of Marlboros would run you upwards of 50 bucks and you only get 200 cigarettes.

So I get home, roll me a couple joints like I planned all along, then roll me up a cigarette with the Top tobacco. I rolled it right too, not my first rodeo here. Too loose and the shit falls apart while you're smoking it, too much tobacco rolled too tight and it's a pain in the ass getting a drag off it. Anyway... it didn't taste quite as outstanding as I remembered. Just smelling it in the can, it's got more of a woody sawdust smell to it than Camel, Marlboro, or even Lucky Strike. And it smokes like shit too. Burns way faster than ready-made cigarettes, runs a little bit, and really only starts tasting half-way like a real cigarette once you smoke it down more than 2/3rds of the way and the tobacco in the butt starts accumulating a good bit of tar.

But for 17 bucks, I can't feel completely duped I guess. Still... another one of my bright ideas that turned out to be pretty stupid. So for now, just gonna smoke on this BULLSHIT until it's gone to get my vitamin N fix.

They had several probably 3oz plastic bags of a bunch of other brands I've never heard of as well as others that came in cans. I noticed they did have some American Spirit brand handrolling tobacco, but it was about 29 bucks for a 3.5oz can of it. Tempted to maybe try again with a different brand, maybe even try getting some filter tubes. I dunno. It's kinda cool to roll your own regular smokes, but I specifically remember from the old days that it DID become a bit of a pain in the ass after a while. Ya know, having to pre-roll a bunch of smokes before you left the house for the day. That shit got to be so time consuming and stupid that I eventually just said fuck it and switched back to buying ready-made packs.

[adz1La]

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[|iR|Focalor]

Finally rolled the last of that can of Top tobacco last night. It smelled pretty funky and odd when I first opened the can, and it didn't smell ANY better by the time I got down to the bottom of it either. It was pretty dry and brittle to begin with, but by the time I got to the bottom, it was crumbling all to hell and falling out of the rolling machine in little pieces of shake bullshit. The stuff burned faster than newspaper too. I could literally smoke one cig of it in 4 minutes. I was packing and rolling it tighter than a jews butthole too just to make it burn longer, and even though it was packed too tight in the paper, I was still able to drag off it just fine... which tells you how fucking dry and woody the shit is. If I had to guess, I'd say the reason its so fucking cheap is because it's a blend of more than 70% cheap shitty south american import tobacco with tons of tobacco plant stems chucked into it to beef up the weight and volume. No shit, while I was rolling it in the machine I was literally pulling out half-inch long pieces of shit that looked like woody tree pulp.

So an overall assessment of Top roll-your-own tobacco: It's FUCKING NASTY HORRIBLE SHIT! If you ever get curious and wanna roll your own like me, steer clear of this garbage. Unless you're a homeless bum and it's all you can afford, smoke ANYTHING else.

So since I was out, I figured I'd try another brand and I made another trip to the tobacco outlet. Last time I was there, I thought about trying a can of the American Spirit roll-your-own. But like an idiot, I saw the price tag on it was $28.99, then saw that the price tag on the can of Top was $16.99, and I picked the cheaper shit like the tightwad motherfucker that I am. Bad choice. Didn't realize it at the time, but this should've told me plenty... the weight listed on the can of Top was 3.5oz... meanwhile the slightly smaller can of American Spirit weighs 5.3oz. How does that work? A smaller can with supposedly less tobacco weighs almost twice what the larger can does. That's because it's fucking dried out nasty garbage. Anyway, yeah, this time I went with the American Spirit 100% US Grown (pictured below).



I've tried readyrolled American Spirit cigarettes in the pack before. They were pretty good from what I remembered. Their big thing is that they're 100% additive free, so I guess they don't flue cure it with ammonia fumes like RJ Reynolds, Philip Morris, and Brown & Williamson does to all their tobacco to boost nicotine content. I guess whatever all-natural curing processes American Spirit uses also causes the leaf to retain more natural moisture and in turn causes it to burn a little slower. I definitely remembered that from the one or two individual packs of American Spirits I bought years ago. At the time, I was pretty amazed at how much longer it took to smoke one compared to a Marlboro the exact same size.

So I got it home and peeled the metal seal off the can. WOW. This stuff smells AMAZING. It smells fucking beautiful. This smell is LIFE-CHANGING! If you're a smoker and you think a fresh pack of Marlboros or Camels (or whatever brand you smoke) smells good, you have NO FUCKING IDEA what "good" smells like until you take a whiff of this stuff. You take one sniff of this stuff in the can and you'll be saying to yourself, "Jesus Christ, what the hell have I been smoking all this time!?! It smells nothing like this!"

Anyway, rolled a couple, then smoked one. Oh my fuck-biscuits. That's the best cigarette I've ever smoked in my life. From now on, Camel and Marlboro can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned.

[m0n0LiTh0]

So I got it home and peeled the metal seal off the can. WOW. This stuff smells AMAZING. It smells fucking beautiful. This smell is LIFE-CHANGING! If you're a smoker and you think a fresh pack of Marlboros or Camels (or whatever brand you smoke) smells good, you have NO FUCKING IDEA what "good" smells like until you take a whiff of this stuff. You take one sniff of this stuff in the can and you'll be saying to yourself, "Jesus Christ, what the hell have I been smoking all this time!?! It smells nothing like this!"

Anyway, rolled a couple, then smoked one. Oh my fuck-biscuits. That's the best cigarette I've ever smoked in my life. From now on, Camel and Marlboro can go fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned.

Take a closer look at the stash of papers neatly packed in the top of your fresh can , none better. imo 

[|iR|Focalor]

Yeah, it came a ziplock baggie of 4 packs of 50 papers, 200 total. I noticed theres a plain white sticker over the back of each pack. I got curious and peeled one off. Underneath it, it says:

• 50 Rolling Papers
• 100% Flax
• Chlorine-free
• Natural Gum

So I'm not sure why they'd stick that on there to cover that up. But stickers ain't free, and they wouldn't do that just for the fun of it. Maybe part of what's printed ain't true? I dunno.

I did notice that the papers don't have any accelerant stripes in them to help the cigarette burn evenly. I guess that's a good thing when you're going for an all-natural smoke. I've smoked maybe 4 cigs of it so far, and from what I can tell, it doesn't even need those stripes in the paper to make it burn evenly. Not one of them have burned a run down one side even the slightest little but. It burns slow and uniformly in a nice short cherry. That really has nothing to do with the paper though, that's just the quality of the tobacco leaf.

Dunno if I'd wanna roll any J's with this paper. I got a few packs of Joker 1½'s for that.

[Fraginstein]

Lol, I was expecting a weed thread also       Oh well, ... I smoked for 38 years until my triple by-pass last April, been tobacco free ever since.  I've had a couple of tokes since then, but no tobacco;  I do miss it occasionally  (some mornings w/coffee or after a good meal) but otherwise over it & glad I'm past it. 

Back when I still indulged, for about the last year of so, I rolled my own, & preferred Bugler
Wasn't as nice as my Camel Wides, but was better than Top's for only a few bucks more @ wallyworld.

If I was still smoking, I just might try growing my own tobacco =
http://theoldfirm.hubpages.com/hub/Tobacco-Growing-and-Curing-at-Home
 

[|iR|Focalor]

Ugh, that sucks. Yeah, my old man had a heart attack about a year or two ago. I don't think they did bypass surgery on him, I think they ended up being able to go in and do angioplasty or whatever with the balloon thingy to clear out the blockages. He had 4 blockages and I think there was one of the 4 they said that was starting to get bad, but they left it and were maybe planning to do a bypass on it later if it got too bad. They put him on 100 different sizes, shapes, and colors of little pills. Took em a while to get the meds right too. I think one of the pills, some kinda cholesterol pill maybe, ended up fucking with his liver pretty hardcore and damn near killed him. Right after it happened, he showed me all the fifty-zillion different bottles of pills he carts around with him everywhere he goes now. I was astounded. A little pissed too. Doesn't seem right that someone should pump that much pharmaceutical garbage into themselves after a life-threatening incident. You see the ads on the TV, and the side-effects always sound worse than the condition it's meant to cure. It's not surprising that one of them ended up damn near killing him.

I think my dads in his early 60's. My grandpa, his dad, died in his 50's from a heart attack. He had quit smoking for several years, and then about a year or two before he died, he started back smoking again. Whereas my old man might've smoked in this late teens for a year or two until my mom made him quit when they got together. Anyway, heart shit runs in the family pretty heavily. One of these days, I need to quit before it's too late. But... it's just so damn good. Like they say, nicotine has more addictive potential than cocaine and heroin, and they ain't bullshitting. I quit smoking not long after the recession when tobacco taxes shot way up. Did it by dipping snuff to ween me off the nicotine. Figured I'd hate the taste of snuff enough to be able to quit that. Stayed quit altogether for 5 or 6 months I think. Then picked up another can of snuff... then another... then another. After that, I was dipping regularly instead of smoking. And now? Well I dip AND smoke. At first, I was just using the Camel coupons I got in the mail to get an occasional pack, and the rest of the time, I was dipping. But now it's more like 50/50 with the smoke and the dip.

But yeah, maybe it's a cold weather thing. In the winter, I drink a lot more coffee, especially in the mornings. In the summer, I don't usually drink it at all. But when I have that cup of coffee in my hand on a cold morning, I always say, "You know what would make this even better? A BIG FAT CAMEL 100!" Not much of a fan of the Camel Wides though. Last couple of times I got a pack, the cigarettes kinda ran down one side every 2 or 3 cigarettes, even after tamping the living shit out of the pack before opening it, which I always do.

Never tried Bugler before, but I've seen it on the shelf at Walmart plenty. If it's close enough in price to the Top for the same weight, then it might be equally shitty. Seriously... I'm not too fuckin' sure that Top is even actual tobacco. It sure as shit don't smell like it. The most accurate description of the smell of the stuff unsmoked I could give: sawdust sprayed with pesticides and formaldehyde. Not even joking. It's really bad.

Been considering growing my own tobacco too. Dunno if I will though. Growing it ain't the problem, I could do that pretty easy. Curing and aging would be the issue. It takes so long hanging it to air cure it. I don't really have an area for it. And it's gotta be well ventilated with good airflow otherwise the leaf grows mold and gets ruined. I could probably rig up stuff under the porch to sun cure it, but that would probably dry it out too much. Plus, insects might decide to start messing with it being outdoors. Just seems like a big pain in the ass.

[ex]

Damn...after reading that, I'm almost glad I only did cocaine and never smoked cigs.  I mean, I have smoked tabacco before (as aforementioned) but only a few rare times.  I never noticed the addictive property, but then again I was able to drop coke as well - not really hard to stay away from it.  I have looked at whole leaf or bud tobacco and have thought about smoking that for a rare enjoyment one day.  I don't like smoke in any form, so it would seriously be a single day I'd smoke it I think.

I've smelled the really good stuff in specialty smoke shops and always thought it smelled fucking great, almost like incense.  If I were to become a smoker of tobacco, I would only smoke whole leaf high-grade stuff like that or the bud itself.  Seems like a waste of time to even bother with anything of lower quality.

Upon complete review, I think I might be addicted to quality.  I refuse to smoke shitty pot when I rarely do smoke.  Only the highest grade dro & hash.  I refuse to do shitty cocaine.  Only shit that looks like mother of pearl.  I refuse to drink shitty beer/liquor.  Only stuff that's top-shelf in general.  Maybe quality is my biggest issue, not substance.  Still enjoyable though.  ;>