Hello, I must be going

[plastik]

I mean more along the lines of accusing those (especially with malice) and they later found out to be unjustified.  Its just a thought, ...one which of course tastyspleen will most likely not implement...its pretty free around here, but with that freedom, there comes garbage aswell.  thats not a bad thing though.  But I do agree, a 0.0 score should not be on the list and should have been deleted.  I did not say there was any tarnishment whatsoever, but to point out the fact that it is possible to do so.  when one person see's a person called a cheat, that person may lose to them aswell and say cheat also.  Or other people may leave when they see them on the server.  theres probably more problems that arise. 

<3,
plastik

[haunted]

I hope you weren't referring the word malice to any of my posts, hahah..

[plastik]

you have the freedom to make what you want out of what i say.

[[BTF]Gator]

Ax, i dont think anything has gone on that is so bad that you should feel a need to leave.  i think yer over reacting.  The cheat discussions are carried on in public.  And a player of your caliber is going to run into it anywhere you go.  The jump server thing was unfortunate, but get past it.  It is a bump in the road.  There isnt any other community this size.

If you feel the pressure gets to great, try aliasing under another name for a little peace and quiet for a few minutes.  i mean they will start crying again, but many cry cuz they dont like you and are seeking vengenance for dominating them on a daily basis.

Q2 is too deep in yer blood, i doubt you could let it go for very long.  Basically, most all of us who have been playing since the beginning are either admitted or yet to admitting addicts to the game.  Resistance is futile.  All your bridge are belong to us.

[[BTF] Reflex]

going back to bugs....  wasnt the invisible player on rails kinda like winning the lottery?   dunno if its ever happened to me...
but personally one of my favorite frags of all time was nailing the invisible guy

[Ax2Grind]

Jumpmod bug: This involves what I always said should be removed - rocket arena overtime.  If you complete a score, a legitimate score, and still have the time running when RAO starts, your spawn means everything.  The server doesn't use spawnpads, but instead randomly spawns players 32u above a walkable surface anywhere on the map.  Your time will be reset to 0.0, but because you can still score at exactly the 20min mark (or however long the maps last) as long as you spawn for RAO on top of a weapon or such your 0.0 score will be accepted.  Haunted would've known this had he actually entered the map and looked at the demo, which showed me moving exactly as I did to attain a legitimate score.  He didn't bother, and that was exactly the opposite direction someone with admin powers should've taken.  My responses to his statements, whatever they were, were justified: his tone was accusatory (I'll ask you for a third time, how did you get 0.0 on that map - having already deleted the score and been told by another player the actual cause, yet persisting).  With RAO it'll happen again, and again, and again.  Remove it and the 'bug' should disappear, but I don't expect anyone to listen now to what I've been saying since I started playing Jumpmod again, and I won't be going back without formal apologies.  I don't need to deal with it any more.

Naymlis: Holier-than-thou doesn't befit you, if, indeed, that was you.  I made one comment, 'That, there, is center mass' (or something similar) for a ridiculous shot you shouldn't have taken and shouldn't have hit.  Lots of players yell 'hax' and they're not accusing anyone of anything.  That's some pot calling the kettle hypocrite, as if you don't remember what took place years ago.  As for anything else you've stated, ask a more coherent question, like 'Why do you spec so much instead of play?' and I'll answer it, but I don't think you have the patience of an oldschooler.  You're not going to like my response and you'll always think like Haunted.

Haunted: I read your statements in several threads, including the one you're accused of cheating and, instead, mention my name.  That is something, I can proudly say, I've never done: used someone else's actions in defense of accusations to me.  It smacks of Outbreak (assuming you're not) and doesn't befit an admin, please stop.

Anyone else with legitimate concerns?

[harryhood]

My brain hurts, you guys are nerds. just delete this thread, and continue to play q2 and dont worry about whose in it and what there doing. let the admins ban fags who cheat, ax doesnt cheat. hes just really fucking good. you guys are all flamers. leave him alone.

[10zx]

My brain hurts, you guys are nerds. just delete this thread, and continue to play q2 and dont worry about whose in it and what there doing. let the admins ban fags who cheat, ax doesnt cheat. hes just really fucking good. you guys are all flamers. leave him alone.

roflcopter

[magical pig]

IMHO, A2G is simply a damn good player -  he doesn't say much in game, but then again, I say enough for everyone.
I don't think it fair or productive to post accusations in a public forum... period.
 As evidenced here it can lead to trouble and deep misunderstandings. Send your demos in and let the admins do their thing and sort it out, life is too short to have read these longass threads...

 

[UUD-40]

Who cares... =]

Cheat or no cheat, some people suck and some people are good.
Cheaters will always be losers, let them stroke their eego's. 

[console]

Jumpmod bug: This involves what I always said should be removed - rocket arena overtime.  If you complete a score, a legitimate score, and still have the time running when RAO starts, your spawn means everything.  The server doesn't use spawnpads, but instead randomly spawns players 32u above a walkable surface anywhere on the map.  Your time will be reset to 0.0, but because you can still score at exactly the 20min mark (or however long the maps last) as long as you spawn for RAO on top of a weapon or such your 0.0 score will be accepted.

Thank you, sincerely, for the detailed explanation.  I'm new to jumpmod myself, and would never have guessed this sequence of events.

Haunted would've known this had he actually entered the map and looked at the demo, which showed me moving exactly as I did to attain a legitimate score.  He didn't bother, and that was exactly the opposite direction someone with admin powers should've taken.

This turns out to be an assumption, and an incorrect one.

Here is haunted along with MiseryLovesINC three days earlier, making a determined effort to sleuth out how your 0.0 was achieved:

[2006-02-05 Sun 08:33:21] haunted: infact.. i saw one of his times that read 0.0
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:33:21] JumpBad: NoCheat V2.40 Code\4I2DHn\ Server[69.9.168.4]
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:33:26] haunted: that map is obviously broken
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:33:29] haunted: need to go fix it
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:33:29] MiseryLovesINC: yea lol
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:33:40] MiseryLovesINC: gxjump1
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:33:45] MiseryLovesINC: i had 1st and he did that
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:33:53] haunted: its that one?
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:33:54] haunted: alright
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:33:59] MiseryLovesINC: pret sure
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:34:01] haunted: yall mind if we go there now so i can fix it?
08:34:26 MAP_CHANGE:  gxjump1 (was:atr_kjump5)
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:34:28] MiseryLovesINC: yea
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:34:28] MiseryLovesINC: NoCheat V2.40 Code\2meeCN\ Server[69.9.168.4]
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:34:52] haunted: why isnt there a replay...
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:34:57] haunted: of the 0 or the 13's
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:34:57] MiseryLovesINC: there is
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:35:07] haunted: yeah of someone getting 19
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:35:07] MiseryLovesINC: im watchin a replay
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:35:10] MiseryLovesINC: lol
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:35:12] MiseryLovesINC: 26
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:35:26] haunted: wheres the close weapon
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:35:28] MiseryLovesINC: whatd he do to get 0.0
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:36:47] haunted: it removed them all
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:36:52] MiseryLovesINC: yea
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:36:53] ^AmALgAmAt3D..: what providers do you use?
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:36:55] haunted: i typed 1 to remove the 1st place one
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:36:56] haunted: :\
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:38:38] haunted: i wonder how he got 0
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:38:40] haunted: thats pretty strange
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:38:44] ^AmALgAmAt3D..: lol!
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:38:55] ^AmALgAmAt3D..: glitch in the map?
[2006-02-05 Sun 08:39:02] MiseryLovesINC: wep on spawn ?

My responses to his statements, whatever they were, were justified: his tone was accusatory (I'll ask you for a third time, how did you get 0.0 on that map - having already deleted the score and been told by another player the actual cause, yet persisting).

Nah... Sorry, I can't pile all the blame on haunted for this one.  You could have been affable and volunteered some info from the start.  Here's the log in its entirety:

09:31:34 MAP_CHANGE:  newbjumpin (was:ramps2)
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:31:43] Ax2Grind: just made the jump
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:31:48] Ax2Grind: bite me
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:32:42] possibly: gl_modu
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:37:44] The Lord: brb
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:40:34] The Lord: join easy
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:44:23] haunted: how did u get 0.0 on gxjump1 ax?
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:44:38] The Lord: thats a server bug
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:44:50] haunted: you're not ax
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:44:57] The Lord: no im not
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:45:15] Ax2Grind: i could ask you how you got the same score on another map

To me, haunted's, "how did u get 0.0 on gxjump1 ax?" reads fairly emotionally neutral.  Would it not have been possible to have responded with something informative, maybe like, "It's an RAO bug!"?  But, OK, you respond by asking haunted how he got a 0.0.  No biggie...

So haunted answers, explaining how he got his 0.0 in detail:

[2006-02-08 Wed 09:45:33] haunted: i got 0 because the weapon was right next to me
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:45:35] haunted: HOWEVER
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:45:45] haunted: the weapon was on the other side of the map
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:45:47] haunted: from the spawn pad
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:45:48] haunted: in that map
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:45:55] Ax2Grind: ...
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:46:19] haunted: and it didnt save a replay either

Continuing right along, unedited:

[2006-02-08 Wed 09:46:23] Ax2Grind: gxjump1 is david_bike
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:46:24] haunted: how?
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:46:31] haunted: yeah i deleted your time ax
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:46:54] Ax2Grind: you deleted my entire score?  thats a total slap in my face
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:47:03] plastik: it is!
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:47:08] haunted: im not saying that
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:47:09] Ax2Grind: an absolute insult because you cant run a server properly
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:47:13] haunted: for the 3rd time...
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:47:17] haunted: how did you get 0.0
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:47:23] plastik: lol
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:47:26] haunted: on a map where the rg was far away

OK, really.  I'm not sure if you're being funny or sarcastic?  How could deleting a 0.0 score you know (in excruciating detail) is the result of a game bug, be a slap in anyone's face.

   [EDIT: When I first read the logs, I thought you were
   reacting to your 0.0 score being deleted.  I'm wondering
   now if all your scores for that map were deleted.  I see
   in the log data at the very top, that haunted appears to
   have accidentally removed all of your scores, when he
   thought he was removing only the top score?

     [2006-02-05 Sun 08:36:47] haunted: it removed them all
     [2006-02-05 Sun 08:36:52] MiseryLovesINC: yea
     [2006-02-05 Sun 08:36:55] haunted: i typed 1 to remove the 1st place one
     [2006-02-05 Sun 08:36:56] haunted: :\

   In that case, I can understand your irritation.  But it
   appears to have been an accident.  Apologies.]

[2006-02-08 Wed 09:47:34] Ax2Grind: third time...
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:47:46] Ax2Grind: how does david bike have 0.0 now?
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:47:55] haunted: im not asking him
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:47:57] haunted: im asking you
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:47:59] haunted: ...
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:48:00] Ax2Grind:
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:48:26] Ax2Grind: HOW DOES ANOTHER PLAYER, WHO DIDNT HAVE THAT SCORE JUST BEFORE YOU DELETED MINE, NOW HAVE 0.0????
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:48:33] Ax2Grind: its a bug
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:48:35] Ax2Grind: fix it
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:48:38] Ax2Grind: stop asking mwe
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:48:44] Ax2Grind: about your problem
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:48:47] plastik: cindump hauntedax2g.txt
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:08] haunted: ax dont damn freak out on me

Indeed...

[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:09] Ax2Grind: now, are you going to put my LEGITIMATE score back up?
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:10] haunted: i didnt do shit
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:15] haunted: it took me 4 times
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:17] Ax2Grind: yes you did
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:19] haunted: and you finally answered
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:23] Ax2Grind: youre accusing me of cheating
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:28] haunted: no i didnt

No, he didn't.

[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:28] Ax2Grind: and THAT
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:30] haunted: look back
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:34] Ax2Grind: is the last time
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:35] haunted: all i did was ask you how
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:44] haunted: i never accused you of cheating, rofl
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:50] Ax2Grind: no, you asked THREE TIMES, twice after lord told you
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:49:59] haunted: i asked you how and you felt like being a little girl and not telling me
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:50:05] haunted: i asked you not lord
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:50:06] Ax2Grind: saying 'for the third time' is a threat
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:50:17] haunted: how is that a threat?
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:50:19] Ax2Grind: allow me to make your choice easier
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:50:22] Ax2Grind disconnected
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:50:24] haunted: it means that i want my question answered
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:50:40] haunted: wow
[2006-02-08 Wed 09:50:43] haunted: what a little girl

With RAO it'll happen again, and again, and again.  Remove it and the 'bug' should disappear, but I don't expect anyone to listen now to what I've been saying since I started playing Jumpmod again, and I won't be going back without formal apologies.

Again, thank you for your very detailed description of the problem.

I'm sorry you were offended.  I'll admit, over the years, I've occasionally wondered if you're a junkie for the adrenaline rush of sanctimonious righteous indignation.  Or maybe you're joking; it's hard to tell.  On a tangentially related note:

dm:[2005-07-28 Thu 13:04:18] Ax2Grind: nice cheating
dm:[2005-07-28 Thu 13:04:34] Ax2Grind: no dude, youre using maxfps above 80
dm:[2005-07-28 Thu 13:04:54] Ax2Grind: yes, it is

dm:[2005-08-18 Thu 17:29:32] Ax2Grind: nice cheating asshole
dm:[2005-08-18 Thu 17:29:52] Ax2Grind: plaop is cheating again
dm:[2005-08-18 Thu 17:30:09] Ax2Grind: youre invisible asshole

dm:[2005-12-29 Thu 18:17:52] Ax2Grind: nice cheating asshole
dm:[2005-12-29 Thu 18:18:04] Ax2Grind: that fucker
dm:[2005-12-29 Thu 18:18:57] Ax2Grind: asshole
dm:[2005-12-29 Thu 18:19:13] Ax2Grind: youre a fucking asshole
dm:[2005-12-29 Thu 18:19:45] Ax2Grind: BECAUSE YOUR CHEATING
dm:[2005-12-29 Thu 18:20:07] Ax2Grind: notice how no ones shooting at you

mutant:[2005-08-06 Sat 19:12:04] Ax2Grind: keep cheating

mutant:[2005-09-08 Thu 17:51:34] Ax2Grind: fucking cheaters
mutant:[2005-09-08 Thu 17:51:40] Ax2Grind: fucking cheateras

mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 14:49:50] Ax2Grind: invisible skin again
mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 14:52:43] Ax2Grind: cant stand the fucking cheaters this server allows
mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 14:52:55] Ax2Grind: CANT EVEN FIX INVISIBLE SKINS!
mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 19:20:59] Ax2Grind: sest spectator 0
mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 19:56:32] Ax2Grind: FUCKING CHEATERS
mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 19:56:42] Ax2Grind: learn to run a fucking server
mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 19:56:52] Ax2Grind: meanstreak is invisiskinning
mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 19:57:47] Ax2Grind: I DONT GIVE A FUCKING RATS ASS WHAT IT IS
mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 19:58:31] Ax2Grind: fucking cheaters
mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 19:59:03] Ax2Grind: ive said this before
mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 19:59:08] Ax2Grind: lan me or stfu
mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 20:01:56] Ax2Grind: SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH
mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 20:02:12] Ax2Grind: hate people who think theres one way to play
mutant:[2005-09-16 Fri 20:02:19] Ax2Grind: fucking morons

mutant:[2005-10-12 Wed 20:57:39] Ax2Grind: ty
mutant:[2005-10-13 Thu 16:27:33] Ax2Grind: nice hack, asshole
mutant:[2005-10-13 Thu 16:27:37] Ax2Grind: lose it now
mutant:[2005-10-13 Thu 16:27:55] Ax2Grind: i said lose it
mutant:[2005-10-13 Thu 16:28:09] Ax2Grind: I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOUR EXCUSE

mutant:[2005-10-13 Thu 17:20:17] Ax2Grind: again, another cheater
mutant:[2005-10-13 Thu 17:20:26] Ax2Grind: lose the hack cheaterboy

mutant:[2005-10-28 Fri 17:43:14] Ax2Grind: we've got a cheater
mutant:[2005-10-28 Fri 17:43:32] Ax2Grind: the one whos invisible
mutant:[2005-10-28 Fri 17:44:23] Ax2Grind: that one would be you, putts

mutant:[2005-11-19 Sat 11:27:02] Ax2Grind: fucking cheater
mutant:[2005-11-19 Sat 11:27:44] Ax2Grind: you fuckling piuece of shit

mutant:[2005-12-05 Mon 14:52:42] Ax2Grind: nice hack dude
mutant:[2005-12-05 Mon 14:53:13] Ax2Grind: yeah, and he knows it
mutant:[2005-12-05 Mon 14:53:32] Ax2Grind: both of them are

mutant:[2006-01-02 Mon 17:28:08] Ax2Grind: more fucking cheaters
mutant:[2006-01-02 Mon 17:30:19] Ax2Grind: fucking cheaters all ovber the place

mutant:[2006-01-13 Fri 16:03:07] Ax2Grind: fucking cheaters

vanilla:[2005-08-05 Fri 22:57:02] Ax2Grind: keep cheating

vanilla:[2005-11-13 Sun 00:00:55] Ax2Grind: lagging?
vanilla:[2005-11-13 Sun 00:14:56] Ax2Grind: the admin mustve placed artificial lag on me.  everythings happening a good 150ms afterward
vanilla:[2005-11-13 Sun 00:24:31] Ax2Grind: fix this fucking server
vanilla:[2005-11-13 Sun 08:27:41] Ax2Grind: this servers shitty lag has got to go
vanilla:[2005-11-13 Sun 08:28:55] Ax2Grind: what amazingly shitty lag
vanilla:[2005-11-13 Sun 08:29:16] Ax2Grind: uh, its the server
vanilla:[2005-11-13 Sun 08:29:43] Ax2Grind: if it wwas me id have it on other servers and my ping wouldnt say 50 when its actually 200
vanilla:[2005-11-13 Sun 08:35:27] Ax2Grind: i die THEN i see the fucking railtrail
vanilla:[2005-11-13 Sun 08:35:31] Ax2Grind: its the fucking server
vanilla:[2005-11-13 Sun 08:36:39] Ax2Grind: yeah, only for me, and what does that mean?
vanilla:[2005-11-13 Sun 08:38:38] Ax2Grind: way to go cheating fucking server mods

No, we didn't place "artifical lag" on you.  However, we apologize for whatever router went haywire.


Regards,

[10zx]

artifical lag.. that's a new one.

[console]

Note, thanks to Ax2Grind's description of the bug with Rocket Arena Overtime, I've changed the config so it should now be disabled.


Thanks!

Regards,

[Sgt. Dick]

The ole invisible skin

[plastik]

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