btw...nocheat and q2ace should be banned, with a message linking them to r1q2, AC, and just informing them that they can simply run on normal 3.20, etc... at least on the tourney servers I think. I have no particular complaints with people, just been using p_version and !nocheatsay on occasion and have been surprised with how many use it. The wh protection blocks out 95+% of what you can see through walls(with storm1x glhack and tsearch....which both were made to use with these clients).. but you can still see items and on occasion people through walls that are close to corners, seemingly.